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I have a few questions about various aiframes at the Planes of Fame. I am in the process of identifying all the airframes that I photographed recently.

This Skyhawk was parked in one of the north side hangers as well…
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 4274FaqfWV
…unfortunately there were no markings, including the c/r. Any idea which A-4 this is? Air Boss from the PoF site indicates it is an A-4L.

This is a MiG-21…
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 7687wiMEMh
…but I don’t have a c/n in my notes for this airframe.

I found this cockpit section at the main complex…
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 5674LjLyyA
…and this fuselage section at the Fighter Jets Museum…
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 4804rHaVgu
…The question is… Do they belong to the same airframe? Even if not do you happen to know of any serial numbers for these airframe?

Looking forward to your input.

Mike


MYSTERIES SOLVED...

Thanks to Elwyn & Scott: Heinkel He-100 replica
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 7307VPzvVU

Thanks to Dan: Howard 250, c/n 18-56, c/r N177L, Planes of Fame Air Museum
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 4213roraLv

Thanks to myself: F-84F, s/n 51-1378 USAF
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 4506oNuuio

Thanks to T.J.: CV-240-1, c/n 47, c/r N240HH, Planes of Fame Air Museum
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 4195uDnAtx

Thanks to T.J.: F8F-2, s/n 121614 USN, c/n D.988, c/r N7957C, Steve Hinton, John Maloney and Kevin Eldridge
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 4084uKsPdy
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 4146mEVQWY

Thanks to BDK: N46CM 75-5122 BOEING E75 CHINO WARBIRDS INC...
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 4449fHzXNF

Thanks to BDK: N29FG 74560 GRUMMAN FM-2 CHINO WARBIRDS INC…
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 5373GmZGIk

Thanks to John & BDK: N715CM 1H0715 WSK-PZL-MIELEC TS-11 ISKRA AIR MUSEUM
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 7516sEigSj

Thanks to cvairwerks: c/r N747DT, c/n 168, Aero Commander 560, BUTTERFIELD AIRPLANE STORE INC
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 4065iixeBD

Thanks to BDK: PV-2, c/n 15-1168, c/r NR7483C, Kermit Weeks…
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 3915bQLqen
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 3964XixDUB

Thanks to Andy: Meteor F.4, s/n VT260...
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 7805PHRmmb

Thanks to Andy: s/n 51-13067, c/r NX186SE…
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 8404QEvtJl

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I remember reading about the He-100 somewhere on the web. There is a modeler in Germany that has turned out several full scale replicas of different planes and I believe this is some of his work. The last I read he was working on an ME-109 and had completed or was planning on doing an HE 162.
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The He 100 is indeed a replica, though apparently a very good one.

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The Howard is a tri-gear Howard 250 owned by the Air Museum. It is currently registered as N177L, the FAA says it's Lockheed 18-56 serial no 2178

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Your photo 54 of the silver jet...it's a TS-11 Iskra...a Polish trainer first made in the 60s. Also used by India. It's not quite as common as the L-29s and 39s seen in the US.

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There is a great web site on the gentleman whom built all the replica's

http://www.luftwaffewest.com/

Seems to be down at the moment.

Some info there:

http://www.sml.lr.tudelft.nl/~home/rob/me163/chino.htm

http://www.landings.com/_landings/pacflyer/feb5-2005/Fn-27-lucas-replica.html
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The one picture is of an F-8 and not a A-7.


The thing that jumps out is that the cockpit name seems to have the rank of Commander, thus Navy.
But the other picture has Marine markings.

Not that paint jobs mean that much. :?

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The pencil shaped jet trainer is a Polish WSK-PZL TS-11 Iskra if I'm not mistaken. The DC-4 is four engined, while this one has only two. It is Convair CV-240 N240HH c/n 47. I would imagine that the F8F is the Hinton/Maloney/Eldridge N7957C Bu121614 which has been on rebuild for many years.

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The F-8 cockpit may have been used in a film a few years back about the Cuban Missile Crisis...."Thirteen Days". That would account for its nice paint. You could rent the DVD and see if the colors match.

BTW: RF-8s were used for photographing the missiloe sites.

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TimApNy wrote:
The thing that jumps out is that the cockpit name seems to have the rank of Commander, thus Navy.
But the other picture has Marine markings.


I would never have picked up on that! Perhaps the movie studios dumped the cockpit on them, and they went to AMARC for a fuselage?

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JBoyle wrote:
You could rent the DVD and see if the colors match.


Good idea! I have been meaning to get a copy of that movie anyway.

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mrhenniger wrote:
One of the many Stearmans out there, and of course I didn’t note the c/r…
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 4449fHzXNF
…it looks like from the original scan the c/r is either N46CN or N45CN, but neither are listed by the FAA. Does anyone know the true c/r?

I need some help with confirming the ID of this Wildcat…
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 5373GmZGIk
…Is it s/n 86774 USN c/n 5832 and c/r N7835C?

Thanks to John I now know this is a TS-11 Iskra...
http://community.webshots.com/photo/268 ... 7516sEigSj
…Do you happen to know the s/n, c/n or c/n of the airframe?

N46CM 75-5122 BOEING E75 CHINO WARBIRDS INC
N29FG 74560 GRUMMAN FM-2 CHINO WARBIRDS INC
N715CM 1H0715 WSK-PZL-MIELEC TS-11 ISKRA AIR MUSEUM
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N-number : N747DT
Aircraft Serial Number : 168
Aircraft Manufacturer : AERO COMMANDER
Model : 560
Engine Manufacturer : LYCOMING
Model : GO-480 SERIES
Aircraft Year : 1954
Owner Name : BUTTERFIELD AIRPLANE STORE INC
Owner Address : 2450 MONTECITO ROAD
RAMONA, CA, 92065
Type of Owner : Co-ownership
Registration Date : 17-Jun-1986
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard



She looks to be in pretty bad shape and it's sucha shame for a great bird.
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Every time I see one of the US Iskra's I smile.

When I was originally negotiating the release of these airframes from the Polish Air Force, I had to show the General involved a copy of Flypast. He could't believe that people would fly these for fun. The aircraft were in varying condition , from 'good' to 'This has just come out of overhaul'

A lot of fun, much vodka drunk. Those were the days mumble mumble.

I had to turn him down on his kind offer of surplus T-72's though :shock:

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Tony wrote:
Every time I see one of the US Iskra's I smile.

When I was originally negotiating the release of these airframes from the Polish Air Force, I had to show the General involved a copy of Flypast. He could't believe that people would fly these for fun. The aircraft were in varying condition , from 'good' to 'This has just come out of overhaul'

A lot of fun, much vodka drunk. Those were the days mumble mumble.

I had to turn him down on his kind offer of surplus T-72's though :shock:


The Indian Air Force Retired its Iskras in December 2004. They have 34 left and have opted to retain almost all of them for preservation and instructional airframe duties.

Coverage of the Indian Iskra Phasing out here
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Image ... index.html

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