Warbird Information Exchange

B29,

Thanks for your concern, but I'm okay. My class rank at Harvard Law was not as high as Obama's, but high enough to make sure I landed safely and quickly. But over two-thirds of those employees were secretaries, paralegals, janitors, IT guys, etc., etc. They had little to do with the firm's failure and it is very tough for them right now. I'm not saying the firm should have been bailed out -- very few should -- but they're the victims.

Your 1+2 shows you are not good at math. To extend your equation:

3. Every progressive taxation system spreads the wealth around. (And this was all Obama was talking about.)

4. Republicans support progressive taxation.

1+2+3+4 = Republicans are socialists.

August

Commrads. Back on subject.. http://www.eugenevdebs.com/ This man was from my home town. Debs established himself as one of the nation’s most successful union leaders and organizers whose reputation spread far beyond the BLF membership. Eugen was a socialist and my family had a rather large business and were able to thwart his organizational efforts however several others succumbed to his advances. Terre Haute was a vibrant city a one time and now it is a virtual ghost town because of Eugene. What does this have to do with Ford? This set the tone today of how the autoworkers negotiate. Let's just say I have been very close to ford upper management. Executives tell the union they can't have a raise and the union says YES WE CAN have that raise and the company folds rather than have a show down with the union and they get the raise.. Executives tell the union they can't have a 5 weeks of vacation and the union says YES WE CAN and they get the 5 weeks vacation. anyway I think the there has been a lot of YES WE CANS between where ford started and and where they are today. The union twisted the company's arm into agreements they can no longer aford. Now the company is out of money and is going to tank.. So unions voted for someone to pump more money into ford. Can the goverment bail them it. Yes we can!. It is going to take a socialist, communist or messiah or wonderboy Messiah to fix this one..

If you cut the military 25%, what happens to all those folks 1) Employed by the military 2) Producing products and services (including the gazillion dollar weapon systems). Great way to further collapse the economy, but then I guess the government could come along and bail them out as well. I won't even go into the whole possible rise of Russia and the sleeping giant of China. Not a good time to think about gutting the military.

Some of you sound like you want Obama to be a repeat of Carter. You might just get your wish. I was pretty young then, but I don't remember it as a good time.

On the medical issue, I could be wrong, as I am no expert on healthcare, but don't most of the new innovations, treatments and medicines that are produced come from the United States? This is a direct result of the free-market medical system. Socialize that and good bye R&D.

Right on, why should a enormous corporation have to put up with a bunch of american workers demanding a share of the pie when the whole D-- thing can just be exported to India or China. Who do they think they are anyway?
result= the ghost town you live in.

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Tim, a good move would be to plow the savings from the military back into public infrastructure such as bridges, tunnels, etc. that are rotting away with no replacements in sight. FAA upgrades maybe?
Medical R&D is largely already offshored to India, etc. The companies may be US owned but if there is a profit to be made rest assured businesses in Medicine, Biotech etc. will continue to be home grown. nobody said the gov. will kill R&D, heck, how much R&D do you think is already financed by the government?

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[quote="Enemy Ace"]Right on, why should a enormous corporation have to put up with a bunch of american workers demanding a share of the pie when the whole D-- thing can just be exported to India or China. Who do they think they are anyway?
result= the ghost town you live in.[/quote]

Your correct...Because what ever they are paying the employee they are also pay that much to the goverment in taxes. and if you add up all the benifits it is well north of 100.00 per hour but the worker only sees a fraction of this.. So for the company to remain solvent they move outof the us. Under the commrads plan more companies are also going to move and ship to the U.S. The problem is only going to get worse theway were going.. Companies are global now and all they have to do is move the company flag to another country. Example stanley tools

Wrench, I agree that too much is paid in taxes. All the more reason to cut bloated ineffective programs and put part of the savings into things that are worthwhile. Farm subsidies, an oversized military, public assistance for illegal immigrants, etc etc the list goes on and on.
Cut out all the unneccesary stuff, give proper stewardship of public funds and high taxes will become unnecessary.

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k5083, I told you I'm not a money man, I can't add!

[quote="Enemy Ace"]Wrench, I agree that too much is paid in taxes. All the more reason to cut bloated ineffective programs and put part of the savings into things that are worthwhile. Farm subsidies, an oversized military, public assistance for illegal immigrants, etc etc the list goes on and on.
Cut out all the unneccesary stuff, give proper stewardship of public funds and high taxes will become unnecessary.[/quote]


How is comrad Ossama's plan of increasing taxs make things better?

Seriously, grow up. You can make a point without the constant name calling/bashing of Obama. The people you're debating might respect you and provide a constructive debate if you can be a little more mature in your responses.

I might vote for the party that taxes less and spends less. But there isn't one. You only have two choices. (1) Tax-and-spend Democrats. (2) Borrow-and-spend Republicans. The latter promised to spend less, but instead only taxed less, and ran up a huge tab.

You've all been drinking at the same bar as me for 8 years -- really 28 years with an 8-year hiatus -- and it's been a nice party but it's time to settle up. I'm willing to pay more than my share, and in my income bracket, the next administration will make sure that I do. I now seem to hear a chorus of "Not me" and see some of you slinking off to hide in the bathroom. Pretty soon, if we don't step up, this bar will become a Chinese restaurant.

August

Wrench,
1. It is not "Comrade Obama" it is now President Obama, Chief executive and Commander -in chief of the Armed Forces. The job is his now and regardless of political affiliation we should all give him our support to do the things needed to improve our country.
2. It is my understanding that the taxes will be raised on the wealthy, those who make over $250,000.00 per year. That means all A&P mechanics don't have to worry about their taxes going up!
The ultra wealthy pay little to no tax. assets are corporate owned. They have accountants and lawyers working full time to shelter their money from the tax man.
An example: YOU paid more in income tax last year than Ross Perot. How? Mr. Perot invests his money pre-tax into things like tax free municipal bonds and real estate trusts. People like that have a realized income of $0!
Now how fair is that?

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[quote="kzollitsch"][quote="Broken-Wrench"]
How is comrad Ossama's plan of increasing taxs make things better?[/quote]

Seriously, grow up. You can make a point without the constant name calling/bashing of Obama. The people you're debating might respect you and provide a constructive debate if you can be a little more mature in your responses.[/quote]

sorry kzollitschsky

[quote="Enemy Ace"]Wrench,
1. It is not "Comrade Obama" it is now President Obama, Chief executive and Commander -in chief of the Armed Forces. The job is his now and regardless of political affiliation we should all give him our support to do the things needed to improve our country.
2. It is my understanding that the taxes will be raised on the wealthy, those who make over $250,000.00 per year. That means all A&P mechanics don't have to worry about their taxes going up!
The ultra wealthy pay little to no tax. assets are corporate owned. They have accountants and lawyers working full time to shelter their money from the tax man.
An example: YOU paid more in income tax last year than Ross Perot. How? Mr. Perot invests his money pre-tax into things like tax free municipal bonds and real estate trusts. People like that have a realized income of $0!
Now how fair is that?[/quote]

Thats total B.S. where did you read that in the cycle and hammer. where were you . Ossama lowered it to 200 and biden lowered it to 150.

Enemy,

It started at $250K, then to $200K, then Biden said $150K. So what is the real figure?

It also sounds like the Dem's will become the tax, spend, and borrow party, to bail out whom ever.