Is this a real warbird???

Todd Hackbarth · **Posted:** Wed Apr 13, 2005 10:50 am

Check out these two photos at:

http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx ... 100a387518

They were taken near Madrid, Spain.

Is this a real aircraft? If so, what type is it?

Thanks,

Todd

Chad Veich · **Posted:** Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:51 am

Hi Todd, I'm guessing it is a fake. A really bad attempt at a T-6 it appears to me.

Did you ever make it to the Phoenix area to get a look at the vintage jets you were interested in? Take care, Chad Veich.

mrhenniger · **Posted:** Wed Apr 13, 2005 11:56 am

At first glance to me it looked like a stretched T-28.

Mike

Cees Broere · **Posted:** Wed Apr 13, 2005 12:58 pm

Isn't this the trainer Willy Messerschmitt designed in his Spanish period?

Cees

Steve T · **Posted:** Wed Apr 13, 2005 1:41 pm

Todd et al--

Wow, that is HILARIOUS! Somebody in Spain has a wonderfully loopy historical sensibility. This beast is clearly representative of a US Navy utility-squadron SNJ (Guantanamo Bay markings...like, and likely copied from, several present-day Warbird SNJs); but Cees is right, this airframe will have considerably more to do with the Hispano HA200 Saeta jet trainer designed under Willi Messerschmitt's auspices. Certainly the canopy is a Saeta unit and most of the fuselage looks the right shape for that aircraft as well. I wonder where the wings and tail came from though!

S.

RareBear · **Posted:** Wed Apr 13, 2005 3:22 pm

It looks to me like what we used to call a "Heinz Terrier". 57 varieties. It appears they cobbled together something out a hodge-podge of parts they had lying around the scrapyard. Worked out remarkably well, though.

Walt

tom d. friedman · **Posted:** Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:53 pm

in technical terms this plane is a phonias balonias created by a spanish a**holias!!! who has that much time on their hands??? :vom:

tom d. friedman · **Posted:** Wed Apr 13, 2005 4:54 pm

the old ww 2 fisher xp 75 looks better, & that plane had major birth defects!!!!

hairy · **Posted:** Wed Apr 13, 2005 5:08 pm

Steve T wrote:

Todd et al--

Wow, that is HILARIOUS! Somebody in Spain has a wonderfully loopy historical sensibility. This beast is clearly representative of a US Navy utility-squadron SNJ (Guantanamo Bay markings...like, and likely copied from, several present-day Warbird SNJs); but Cees is right, this airframe will have considerably more to do with the Hispano HA200 Saeta jet trainer designed under Willi Messerschmitt's auspices. Certainly the canopy is a Saeta unit and most of the fuselage looks the right shape for that aircraft as well. I wonder where the wings and tail came from though!

S.

The tail looks very T-6 to me.

bdk · **Joined:** Sun May 02, 2004 1:16 am **Posts:** 11324

hairy wrote:

The tail looks very T-6 to me.

As do the swept outer wing panels and fairings over the outer wing to center section joint.

So to answer the question, yes it is made from warbird parts.

Jack Cook · **Posted:** Thu Apr 14, 2005 12:39 am

OK now this is freaky.
Check out the tail markings. TP and 51789. Bu No 51789 is my old T-6 N5488V!! I grew up with that airplane and started my life long love affair with aviation because of it. After leaving Salem is passed through a cuople owners one of whom (Tom Payne) painted it in Gitmo colors hence the TP. Paul Faltyn in NY now owns it. Whomever did this thing was clearly inspired by the original.

Jack flying BuNO 51789 N5488V Salem, OR 1980.

JDK · **Posted:** Thu Apr 14, 2005 2:25 am

Canopy (perhaps fuselage?) looks like Saetta to me too - that's a warbird.

For some reason that seem to have started with a Saetta and wanted a T-6. I'm sure the TV programme of how they did it will be coming soon...

Swiss Mustangs · **Posted:** Thu Apr 14, 2005 4:17 am

So it's a "Harvetta", eh?

ugly thing

Martin

marine air · **Posted:** Thu Apr 14, 2005 6:58 pm

It is definitely a warbird! Pick your choice;

A) The first prototype Hispano HA-100-E-1 Trianna with a spanish built 750 hp. ENMA Beta B-4 radial. The second prototype and all production models had the engine moved forward a few inches, and a large square dorsal fin and squared wingtips. The canopy is off of an HA-200R-1 Saetta.

B) An Ha-200R-1 Saetta twin engined jet, with parts scrounged up to make it look like a HA-100 Trianna. Note missing drop tanks, bizarre vertical fin, etc.

C) A replica T-6! Used by scrounging up a junk HA-200 Saetta jet AND ADDING items to make it look more like a T-6!

Yes, Professor Wily Messerschmitt was employed to help design the Saetta, based on the Trianna airframe and two Turbomeca Marbore engines as a transition trainer in 1959.

airnutz · **Posted:** Thu Apr 14, 2005 8:49 pm

marine air, I'm gonna vote C, as the answer..an ill attempt at a T-6 replica
using an Saetta as the base airframe.

At the base of the wing-root aft, the structure portruding below the keel-
line, appears to be a fairing around what would have been one of the
Marbore exhaust tubes. Also, the intake on the HA-100 is on the other side
of the cowling about 11:00. Not to mention the other T-6 styling cues.

HA-100.. http://www.studenten.net/customasp/axl/ ... te_id=8757

That is some crazy rendition of a T-6 wing...
Another fine replica brought to you by the Madrid School of Heating and
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