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srpatterson · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2005 10:23 am

jgrifft6 wrote:

The 500 hrs TT that the T-28 guys were quoting you was correct back when LOAs existed. I guess they've changed that now. Back in the day, it was 500 hrs for the pistons and 1000hrs for the jets. Too bad if its changed, it puts me getting a T-28 ETR off for another few years as well (just when I'm breaking 500 too).
Jason

I don't believe that is correct, as it was 1000 PIC hours when I got my T-28 LOA. Again, there was a proposal put forth to change the number from 1000 to 500, but to also require an Instrument Rating (which you don't have to have today), but it hasn't been acted on yet.

jgrifft6 · **Joined:** Fri Jan 14, 2005 1:02 pm **Posts:** 45

Not that its even relevant anymore.... but it did used to be 500 hrs and I sure hope they can get it changed back if it has been moved to 1000.

This link clarifies all of the LOA reqs:
http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/faa/8700/870 ... %20piston'

OP, theres hope for us!
Jason

V1VRV2 · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2005 1:23 pm

After reviewing the link that Jason provided, I was reminded of the endorsement for "All types and models of high performance single and multi-engined piston-powered aircraft" (13 a, page 6). Are these "unlimited letters" still being issued? I had the qualifcation years ago, but never got around to apply. Is is too late now?

Rob G

Cadillac_of_the_Sky · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2005 1:32 pm

srpatterson wrote:

OK, Warbird Pilot School 101…Class, be seated.

srpatterson,
Thanks a bunch for laying it out for me. I'm new so I don't know the ins and outs. But I enjoy learning from you guys. I've learned so much!

I know it probably depends on how often you fly, but how long did it take you guys to get your first chance to get to fly a high performance/warbird?

wendovertom · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2005 1:49 pm

Now you see why so many are ex-military pilots!!

Now, if I was 21 again, no diabetes and had perfect eyesight, 10 years to commit to the Navy/Air Force . . . . then it would be easy (LOL! NOT!!)

Tom P.

srpatterson · **Posted:** Tue May 03, 2005 6:20 pm

Sorry everyone, but in doing some more research I believe that it is 500 hours for a T-28 rating. The discussion for converting from 1000 hours to 500 and adding the requirement for an Instrument Rating is, I believe, for straight wing turbine aircraft, and so piston aircraft such as the T-28 would still only require 500 hours PIC. I think I was getting my L-39 and T-28 wires crossed. Sorry about that.

These rules have been constantly changing, with many new proposals, so I'm going to say that the best thing to do is to check with one of the Experimental Aircraft Examiners that can be found through the Warbirds of America website.

As for the question concerning the "Unlimited" LOAs, most of those have gone away, and none are being issued today. In the past if you had three piston LOAs (one of which had to be a conventional gear aircraft) you could apply for an Unlimited (all makes and models piston engine aircraft). When the FAA started converting over to the Experimental Type Rating system you had to show all aircraft types flown in your logbooks to have them appear on your license. I have heard that there were a handful of new "Unlimited" tickets issued (Steve Hinton for instance comes to mind), but most guys had to dig out all their civilian ex-military flight experience.

O.P. · **Posted:** Wed May 04, 2005 4:31 pm

Thanks Steve!

Jason, It looks like we are back on the shorter track! Yeehaa,,,,5 years and a wakeup,,,countin days and hours, kinda like being back in the NAV, only none of that stupid going to sea, cleaning things, never sleeping, kinda junk. I'm psyched!

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