Wed May 11, 2005 7:29 pm
I was nosing around on Airliners.net the other day and I saw a picture of the Typhoon that was at the New England Air Museum back in the day.
I forget the date on the picture but it was from the late 70s or early 80s.
The airplane was bare metal and I dont remember any markings.
Any idea what happened to this airplane?
Was it wrecked in the tornado or traded or sold?
I forget the date on the picture but it was from the late 70s or early 80s.
The airplane was bare metal and I dont remember any markings.
Any idea what happened to this airplane?
Was it wrecked in the tornado or traded or sold?
Wed May 11, 2005 8:10 pm
Pete A. wrote:COTS,
the Typhoon now has a fuselage attached to the cockpit section. Hopefully I'll hear from Roger within the next couple of days and be able to inform you and other interested parties of the current status of this huge endeavour.
A question for you COTS. Why the interest in the Typhoon when obviously your affiliation is with the P-51?
Regards
Pete,
Thanks! I'd love to see a pic if he has one. But I'm happy just to hear how its coming.
As for the interest in the Typhoon... the first model I ever built(by myself, without my fathers help)was this little Typhoon model that I found at a Ma & Pa shop. The owner told me it was a discontinued model. I'll try to see if I can find it, and post a pic. So all the pics of the Vacher's Hurricane and the plethora of Furys got me thinking about how many if any Typhoons were out there. As for the affiliation for the P-51... come on... don't tell me your hair doesn't stand on the back of your neck when you hear her fly by! And the name is just referance to the movie Empire of the Sun... "P-51 CADILLAC OF THE SKY!!!"
Wed May 11, 2005 10:36 pm
I think Phil Earthy has got one.
Wed May 11, 2005 11:07 pm
Some Googling seems to show the "Typhoon" at NEAM was a Tempest, now with Nelson Ezell.
The one at Hendon only exists thanks to you lot over the pond, we scrapped all ours.
Much as I'd love to see one fly, and hear a Sabre, I think it must be just a dream.
If it did happen there would be little danger of the tail coming off as it was eventually traced to elevator flutter. The fishplates over the rear fuselage transport joint were due to the Air Ministry not believing Hawkers when they said they'd fixed it.
The one at Hendon only exists thanks to you lot over the pond, we scrapped all ours.
Much as I'd love to see one fly, and hear a Sabre, I think it must be just a dream.
If it did happen there would be little danger of the tail coming off as it was eventually traced to elevator flutter. The fishplates over the rear fuselage transport joint were due to the Air Ministry not believing Hawkers when they said they'd fixed it.
Sabre
Thu May 12, 2005 1:15 am
dhfan..I dug-up a August 1972 issue of Air Enthusiast earlier tonight just
to read as you stated.
Napier Sabre Sounds Anyone? Sorry gonna be on a Tempest...
http://www.hawkertempest.se/sound.htm
Tempest film originals
http://www.hawkertempest.se/movies.htm
Parent page
http://www.hawkertempest.se
Shamelessly raided from the key pubs site...
to read as you stated.
Napier Sabre Sounds Anyone? Sorry gonna be on a Tempest...
http://www.hawkertempest.se/sound.htm
Tempest film originals
http://www.hawkertempest.se/movies.htm
Parent page
http://www.hawkertempest.se
Shamelessly raided from the key pubs site...
Thu May 12, 2005 2:51 am
Never seen much of a Tempest in action before - that one's added to my Favourites! 
Thu May 12, 2005 7:30 am
DBF,
Thanks for the footage and other media! That was some cool stuff!
Thanks for the footage and other media! That was some cool stuff!
tails
Thu May 12, 2005 11:07 am
Hi,
quote
'without the "war-kit loads" imposed on the
airframe and judicious care..the Typhoon wouldn't have those kind of
stresses imposed on it'
It wasn't the war loads that caused the tiffies tails to fall off, they were falling of without any of the warloads fitted , started almost as soon as it stated flying, the tail fish/travel joint mod according to the old pilots failed to work and was just a confidence booster.
One pilot said he heard more tiffie pilots were lost to structural failures than enemy action, (maybe some day someone will research to see if it is true).
I personally think it would be a bad a/c to fly, as much as I am a Tiffie fan.
A static with a sabre , that maybe runs like the lanc 'just jane'
yep lets have as many as they can rebuild, but an ultra rare typhoon that will very proboably crash , unless it's design is modified to say a tempest fuselage, but then you might as well re build a tempest ( the typhoon MkII ), they had all the typhoon modifications and more.
Cheers
Jerry
quote
'without the "war-kit loads" imposed on the
airframe and judicious care..the Typhoon wouldn't have those kind of
stresses imposed on it'
It wasn't the war loads that caused the tiffies tails to fall off, they were falling of without any of the warloads fitted , started almost as soon as it stated flying, the tail fish/travel joint mod according to the old pilots failed to work and was just a confidence booster.
One pilot said he heard more tiffie pilots were lost to structural failures than enemy action, (maybe some day someone will research to see if it is true).
I personally think it would be a bad a/c to fly, as much as I am a Tiffie fan.
A static with a sabre , that maybe runs like the lanc 'just jane'
yep lets have as many as they can rebuild, but an ultra rare typhoon that will very proboably crash , unless it's design is modified to say a tempest fuselage, but then you might as well re build a tempest ( the typhoon MkII ), they had all the typhoon modifications and more.
Cheers
Jerry
Thu May 12, 2005 2:03 pm
Try reading my post about elevator flutter.
Agreed, there were a lot of structural failures, until Hawkers (and I think Boscombe Down) found out what caused them. I personally have never heard of an airframe that can take the loads caused by flutter.
Agreed, there were a lot of structural failures, until Hawkers (and I think Boscombe Down) found out what caused them. I personally have never heard of an airframe that can take the loads caused by flutter.
Re: Sabre
Thu May 12, 2005 4:02 pm
airnutz wrote:Napier Sabre Sounds Anyone? Sorry gonna be on a Tempest...
http://www.hawkertempest.se/sound.htm
Tempest film originals
http://www.hawkertempest.se/movies.htm
Parent page
http://www.hawkertempest.se
Shamelessly raided from the key pubs site...
That will be from my post 2 days ago then ?
Martin
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Typhoon
Thu May 12, 2005 4:25 pm
Brewerjerry...the war-kit loads comment was based upon vague memory
of the Typhoons problems. Part of comment was based on the high-end
part of the performance envelope..where the Tiffy encountered her most
disturbing trait. The August '72 issue of Air Enthusiast was mentioned
when confirming DHFans explantion of the fix...a fix evidently which was
successful enough for Hawker to produce 3300 of the Typhoons.
As I understand the issue, the Typhoon was designed primarily as a
fighter/bomber (thick wing)..she encountered her disturbing properties
when used in the fighter/interceptor role. This was probably brought on by
the superlative performance of The Napier Sabre once they got the bugs
out of it. Until Bristol showed Napier how to manufacture the Sabre's
cylinder sleeves without distortion, the Sabre was cleared for 25 hours
running between Major Overhauls...and this was after the Typhoon had
reached the squadrons!!! Once this and the structural shortcomings were
solved Typhoon became a force to respect.
Arguably, the one person who did the most to "save" the Typhoon and
demonstrate her to the greatest effect, was Roland Beaumont...former
RAF attached-to-Hawker Typhoon test-pilot and later 609 Squadron
Commanding Officer. When posted back to combat duty with the RAF
609 Sq., Biggin Hill he was made aware of the predjudices against the
Typhoon and the current embrace-of-all for the Spifire.
At that point Beaumont specifically, requested transfer to a "non-Spitfire" base, and took his unit to Manston, where they began to show what its
"ugly-looking-beast" could really do!!!
Glad Ya'll liked the media links. Now does anyone have any sound
recordings of the Typhoons back-up development powerplant...
..the X-layout 24-cylinder Rolls Royce Vulture?? The name was changed
from Typhoon to Tornado with the RR engine.
Let's see if a 1970's trivia question still "holds water"...what is the Oxford
English Dictionary definition for Typhoon? (Very relevent to Hawker)
of the Typhoons problems. Part of comment was based on the high-end
part of the performance envelope..where the Tiffy encountered her most
disturbing trait. The August '72 issue of Air Enthusiast was mentioned
when confirming DHFans explantion of the fix...a fix evidently which was
successful enough for Hawker to produce 3300 of the Typhoons.
As I understand the issue, the Typhoon was designed primarily as a
fighter/bomber (thick wing)..she encountered her disturbing properties
when used in the fighter/interceptor role. This was probably brought on by
the superlative performance of The Napier Sabre once they got the bugs
out of it. Until Bristol showed Napier how to manufacture the Sabre's
cylinder sleeves without distortion, the Sabre was cleared for 25 hours
running between Major Overhauls...and this was after the Typhoon had
reached the squadrons!!! Once this and the structural shortcomings were
solved Typhoon became a force to respect.
Arguably, the one person who did the most to "save" the Typhoon and
demonstrate her to the greatest effect, was Roland Beaumont...former
RAF attached-to-Hawker Typhoon test-pilot and later 609 Squadron
Commanding Officer. When posted back to combat duty with the RAF
609 Sq., Biggin Hill he was made aware of the predjudices against the
Typhoon and the current embrace-of-all for the Spifire.
At that point Beaumont specifically, requested transfer to a "non-Spitfire" base, and took his unit to Manston, where they began to show what its
"ugly-looking-beast" could really do!!!
Glad Ya'll liked the media links. Now does anyone have any sound
recordings of the Typhoons back-up development powerplant...
..the X-layout 24-cylinder Rolls Royce Vulture?? The name was changed
from Typhoon to Tornado with the RR engine.
Let's see if a 1970's trivia question still "holds water"...what is the Oxford
English Dictionary definition for Typhoon? (Very relevent to Hawker)
Typhoon
Thu May 12, 2005 4:35 pm
"That would be my post from 2 days ago"
Yes it would Martin...Thank-You!! Didn't remember who I got it from..
I added the Tempest page to my AOL favorites. Remembered I filched
it from key..but not who.
Your cut-and-paste is a "bit wide" for your comment though...The
digging for the '72Aug issue of Air Enthusiast was my digging and
part of its contents my contribution to the discussion!
Cheers!
Jim
Yes it would Martin...Thank-You!! Didn't remember who I got it from..
I added the Tempest page to my AOL favorites. Remembered I filched
it from key..but not who.
Your cut-and-paste is a "bit wide" for your comment though...The
digging for the '72Aug issue of Air Enthusiast was my digging and
part of its contents my contribution to the discussion!
Cheers!
Jim
Re: Typhoon
Thu May 12, 2005 4:51 pm
[quote="airnutz....Your cut-and-paste is a "bit wide" for your comment though...The
digging for the '72Aug issue of Air Enthusiast was my digging and
part of its contents my contribution to the discussion!
Cheers!
Jim[/quote]
Errrrr. yes , now edited, sorry about that.
Martin
digging for the '72Aug issue of Air Enthusiast was my digging and
part of its contents my contribution to the discussion!
Cheers!
Jim[/quote]
Errrrr. yes , now edited, sorry about that.
Martin
Typhoon
Thu May 12, 2005 10:52 pm
No problem Martin...thank-you again!!
Thu May 12, 2005 11:37 pm
Actually, Hawkers built very few of them. I don't know the exact figures without looking them up but Glosters built nearly all production Typhoons.
In similar vein, the sole production Tornado was built by Avro.
It was originally designed as a fighter/interceptor but, due to the thick wing, had very poor performance at altitude. In Hawkers defence, it was effectively only their second monoplane design as the Henley used Hurricane wings and tail, and they realised what the problem was very quickly.
Beamont (not Beaumont) believed in the aircraft and proved he was right. It was superb at ground attack and good as a low altitude fighter.
A huge awesome beast.
I don't know the exact figures without looking them up but Glosters built nearly all production Typhoons.
In similar vein, the sole production Tornado was built by Avro.
It was originally designed as a fighter/interceptor but, due to the thick wing, had very poor performance at altitude. In Hawkers defence, it was effectively only their second monoplane design as the Henley used Hurricane wings and tail, and they realised what the problem was very quickly.
Beamont (not Beaumont) believed in the aircraft and proved he was right. It was superb at ground attack and good as a low altitude fighter.
A huge awesome beast.