Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:30 pm
Double post
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Fri Aug 07, 2009 12:38 pm
Your right Mike, that was the 7th FS 49th FG P-40N combat vet that was painted in the crazy odd pseudo AVG scheme.
Owned by Woodstock Aviation (?).... what's the deal with it??
Owned by Woodstock Aviation (?).... what's the deal with it??
Fri Aug 07, 2009 1:05 pm
Yea I always thought a Kittyhawk was an odd choice for Woodstock Aviation. I would have assumed a Sopwith Camel or at least a Red Fokker would have been a better choice...
Jim
Jim
Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:52 pm
Dan, I think you are right. I havent been to J-ville since 2005 when Masters of Disaster performed one of the last shows.....
All I remember is seeing that beautiful 40 sitting in the back hangar and I never saw it come out to see the sunlight.
All I remember is seeing that beautiful 40 sitting in the back hangar and I never saw it come out to see the sunlight.
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Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:14 am
Jack Cook wrote:Your right Mike, that was the 7th FS 49th FG P-40N combat vet that was painted in the crazy odd pseudo AVG scheme.
Owned by Woodstock Aviation (?).... what's the deal with it??
As far as I know, the owner bought it as an investment. Never registered, AFAIK the engine's never been run since being installed in the airframe.
Very odd - you'd have thought a registered, signed-off airworthy aircraft would be a better investment than what the owner now has - basically an expensive sculpture to sit and admire.
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Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:26 am
[/quote]As far as I know, the owner bought it as an investment. Never registered, AFAIK the engine's never been run since being installed in the airframe.
Very odd - you'd have thought a registered, signed-off airworthy aircraft would be a better investment than what the owner now has - basically an expensive sculpture to sit and admire.[/quote]
Well when you consider a P-40 was worth $50.00 war surplus in 1946, $10,000.00 in the 1960's, $40,000.00 in the 1970's, $350,000.00 in the 1980's, $1,000,000.00 in the 90's and well over $2,000,000.00 today - you perhaps would consider it a great investment, flying or not....
Very odd - you'd have thought a registered, signed-off airworthy aircraft would be a better investment than what the owner now has - basically an expensive sculpture to sit and admire.[/quote]
Well when you consider a P-40 was worth $50.00 war surplus in 1946, $10,000.00 in the 1960's, $40,000.00 in the 1970's, $350,000.00 in the 1980's, $1,000,000.00 in the 90's and well over $2,000,000.00 today - you perhaps would consider it a great investment, flying or not....
Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:20 am
I saw that P-40 taxiing around in June of 08 while in Santa Rosa.
Re: ???
Sat Aug 08, 2009 11:06 am
Mike wrote:AFAIK the engine's never been run since being installed in the airframe.
Yea Chuck is right. The engine has been run and it has taxied around in the U.S. As to who the owner is...Jack...I did give a clue before...
Jim
Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:18 pm
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Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:38 pm
Was there a hint I missed Jim??
I said
and what you said
I said
Owned by Woodstock Aviation
and what you said
I always thought a Kittyhawk was an odd choice for Woodstock Aviation
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Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:43 pm
Here it is.......................
Actual combat vet "The Saint" 7th FS 49th FG with a Val DB kill.
Almost has bad has the CAF's P-40N
photo from Pioneer Aero ie Garth Hogan
Actual combat vet "The Saint" 7th FS 49th FG with a Val DB kill.
Almost has bad has the CAF's P-40N
photo from Pioneer Aero ie Garth Hogan
Re: ????
Sun Aug 09, 2009 2:29 am
Jack Cook wrote:Here it is.......................
Actual combat vet "The Saint" 7th FS 49th FG with a Val DB kill.
Almost has bad has the CAF's P-40N
photo from Pioneer Aero ie Garth Hogan
Just slap some invasion stripes and a CAF decal on her and she'll be good to go to hit the airshow circuit.
Some people have no sense of history.......
Sun Aug 09, 2009 5:50 am
Jack Cook said:
I remember seeing this aeroplane in Auckland during rebuild at Pioneer. I do remember the guys saying then that they were desperately trying to talk the owner out of doing this and thought they had managed to convince him. But no......
Flame suit on.
The thing that bugs me with the AVG is that although these guys were no doubt brave and fought on the winning and therefore more rightoeus side, they were still, at the end of the day, mercenaries, being paid to fight the Japanese by Chiang Kai Shek, leader of the Nationalist Chinese forces.
Using this reasoning, I believe that there are a lot of other Allied forces that used P-40's with great distinction, that deserve far, far more recognition, eg the 49th Fighter Group. The AVG, IMHO, were used as a propaganda tool in the US early in the war to convince the public to sign up. Hence the use of Disney designed logos. This built up the myth around them and before long you start believing your own BS.
Fire away guys!!
Actual combat vet "The Saint" 7th FS 49th FG with a Val DB kill.
I remember seeing this aeroplane in Auckland during rebuild at Pioneer. I do remember the guys saying then that they were desperately trying to talk the owner out of doing this and thought they had managed to convince him. But no......
Flame suit on.
The thing that bugs me with the AVG is that although these guys were no doubt brave and fought on the winning and therefore more rightoeus side, they were still, at the end of the day, mercenaries, being paid to fight the Japanese by Chiang Kai Shek, leader of the Nationalist Chinese forces.
Using this reasoning, I believe that there are a lot of other Allied forces that used P-40's with great distinction, that deserve far, far more recognition, eg the 49th Fighter Group. The AVG, IMHO, were used as a propaganda tool in the US early in the war to convince the public to sign up. Hence the use of Disney designed logos. This built up the myth around them and before long you start believing your own BS.
Fire away guys!!
Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:05 am
You mean they were mercenaries like the guys that went to England and flew in the Eagle Squadron? Sorry bunch of SOBs as well.
Sun Aug 09, 2009 6:32 am
You mean they were mercenaries like the guys that went to England and flew in the Eagle Squadron? Sorry bunch of SOBs as well.
Ow! I hear ya!
However, I still believe that the AVG gets far too much air time, especially when I learn about what the guys up in PNG (USAAC, RAAF & RNZAF)went through during the war.