Pearl Harbor P-40

Holedigger · **Posted:** Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:50 am

NOT a career enhancing move to total a couple aircraft when you have as few operational AC as they had that day! How many were up and ready to go on the 8th? Good thing a follow on attack did not occur! It was bad enough with the carrier Wildcats coming home to a hot reception. Fratricide is never pretty!

Nathan · **Posted:** Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:01 pm

Note that some of these aircraft numbers and info are NOT correct. But still cool to look at!

Nathan · **Posted:** Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:05 pm

These are more accurate then the last two I posted:

Mgawa · **Posted:** Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:12 pm

I see there more fonts for letters then the Amarilo. Any help?

David_Aiken · **Joined:** Mon Jul 12, 2004 3:31 pm **Posts:** 403

The P-40/P-36 page is a big figment in imagination...captions and select artworks...

The "Harry Brown" P-36 is total error...

Be wary of the artistic efforts of this "research"...

Cheers,
David

lestweforget · **Posted:** Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:05 pm

The Fighter Collections P-40B was somewhere in the vicinity that day. I have no idea where though, perhaps someone more knowledgable can fill us in.

http://fighter-collection.com/pages/aircraft/p-40b/index.php

David_Aiken · **Joined:** Mon Jul 12, 2004 3:31 pm **Posts:** 403

lestweforget wrote:

The Fighter Collections P-40B was somewhere in the vicinity that day.

hangar queen

David_Aiken · **Joined:** Mon Jul 12, 2004 3:31 pm **Posts:** 403

The artwork of SBD 6-S-3 has a typical caption error...based on secondary sources...that this SBD crashed into a "Zero"...

The Japanese plane in question had TWO occupants... thus NOT a "Zero".

The SBD crashed in the first wave... the TWO occupant Japanese plane (D3A1) was a second wave crash. THUS no mid-air ramming...

Be WARY of this artwork and its research.

Mgawa · **Posted:** Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:45 pm

David_Aiken wrote:

The P-40/P-36 page is a big figment in imagination...captions and select artworks...

The "Harry Brown" P-36 is total error...

Be wary of the artistic efforts of this "research"...

Cheers,
David

I hope that now everybody understand me why I insist to have scan of original image before start work on profile...

Cheers

Holedigger · **Posted:** Fri Sep 04, 2009 6:15 pm

History really can be a slippery thing. Bad captioning can be funny at times. I have an OLD history book that has the bow of a large capital ship (Tirpitz, Scharnhorst or Gneisenau, can't quite tell which one) headed toward a merchant ship and the caption says "Nazi U-Boat attacking unarmed Merchantman" U-boat indeed!!!!!

Good photos AND documentation to back it up is important. A photo out of context starts to lose it's identity and importance. As the WW2 generation passes, I am afraid a lot of good pics and documents will either be trashed or just lose it's context.

Kudos to David and his digging at the piles of data and pulling out the nuggets of fact, discarding the fiction!

Nathan · **Posted:** Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:36 pm

Mgawa wrote:

David_Aiken wrote:

The P-40/P-36 page is a big figment in imagination...captions and select artworks...

The "Harry Brown" P-36 is total error...

Be wary of the artistic efforts of this "research"...

Cheers,
David

I hope that now everybody understand me why I insist to have scan of original image before start work on profile...

Cheers

I made a note that a lot of the info on those profiles were incorrect. I just wanted to show them to get an idea.

Nathan · **Posted:** Fri Sep 04, 2009 8:02 pm

Quote:

Kudos to David and his digging at the piles of data and pulling out the nuggets of fact, discarding the fiction

I trust no man more on Pearl Harbor subjects then David Aiken. He taught me a lot and I consider him my mentor even though I may disapoint him from time to time if I forget a few details he has taught me throughout the years. :oops:

Sorry David for not keeping in touch. If you don't remember me its Nathan Milarta from us-aircraft.com.

I turned from history to current warbird projects. But I still try and get in a history lesson in from time to time!

Tally ho,
Nathan

David_Aiken · **Joined:** Mon Jul 12, 2004 3:31 pm **Posts:** 403

Nathan wrote:

"...I may disapoint him from time to time if I forget a few details he has taught me throughout the years.

Nathan,
You have NEVER been a 'disappontment' to me...your quest for facts continues to amaze me and I treasure your efforts...!
Keep up your trek thru history as I pray that you do.
Cheers,
David

hang the expense · **Posted:** Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:05 am

Robbie Roberts wrote:

Gabby Gabreski was at Pearl Harbor during the attack as I recall... I can't seem to remember if he got off the ground or not. I seem to think so: I will have to reread his book to be sure

Robbie

I have a crash report of him washing out a p-36 right before Dec.7

hang the expense · **Posted:** Sat Sep 05, 2009 12:12 am

Nathan wrote:

armyjunk2 wrote:

a couple more, same Record Group as others

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2

These P-40's at Bellows where envolved in a taxi accidant on December 8th. These were not damaged during the attack.

cheers,
Nathan

Hey Nathan,That is no taxi accident.The bird with the gash was struck by the bird with the missing outboard left wing.This happened on landing because the flaps are down on the bird with the gear knocked out.

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