finally ...Santa Monica...the VIDEO!

[jet1]

..."re-live the thrills spills and general STUPIDITY! featuring commentary by fully unqualified individuals. See the L-39 pull up while on a direct course (starting below the pier) just missing the ferris wheel! stupendous!"

http://www.latimes.com/videobeta/watch/ ... &src=front

5 extra points for identifying the obscure reference within the 1941 poster!

[warbird1]

What do you mean, finally?

UUhhhmm.......jet1...... you're a little behind the times, as that video has been available in this thread for a few days now:

http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/p ... hp?t=32946

Thanks for posting it again, in case people didn't get a chance to see it the first time.

[P51Mstg]

Way cool Poster, better than the video.....

Mark H
PS: The buzzing is NOT safe..... If the FAA was as bad as everyone thinks, then everything in the country with a jet engine would be GONE......

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[jet1]

What do you mean, finally?

UUhhhmm.......jet1...... you're a little behind the times, as that video has been available in this thread for a few days now:

http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/p ... hp?t=32946

Thanks for posting it again, in case people didn't get a chance to see it the first time.

oh sorry....I had not seen it so naturally being the most IMPORTANT individual on planet earth I assumed all the rest of you hadn't either!
...guess I need to read more and post less!

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[Ztex]

Don't worry about it Jet...I didn't see the video before now either.



Thanks for posting it...

[Bill Greenwood]

That really isn't very smart flying. One of the sensible rules for airshow flying is that you don't aim at or go directly toward the crowd. You can legally go over them at above 1000' AGL, but it is safer not to. It is better to stay outside the crowd line. There are 3 crowd lines or deadlines at airshows, 500, 1000, and 1500 feet out parallel to the crowd. The closest is for most piston planes doing a flyby, the next is for anyone doing aerobatics or faster planes and the farthest out is for all jets. You fly alongside the crowd, not toward it.

A crowd at an airshow is there to see the planes flying, perhaps the people accept some of the remote but possible risk of a plane going into the crowd, sort of like a spectator at a baseball game might be hit by a batted ball.
But the crowd at the pier is not even taking that risk, or should not be subject to it.

The pilot could have done the same flybys well off the end of the pier, just going along the coastline and likely not frightened anyone, many people may have enjoyed the show.

The fact that the planes are a modern military type may have added to the sense of an emergency. Something like a Tiger Moth would likely not have bothered many people.

I only see one plane, don't see the one flown by Skip Holm. I met Skip in Canada,at the Russell Group, when I was flying the Spitfire and he the ME 109. He is an excellent pilot.

[ZRX61]

According to someone with the FAA the plane that makes the pass off the end of the pier is Skip, the one that pulls up over the ferris wheel is Riggs.

[warbird1]

According to someone with the FAA the plane that makes the pass off the end of the pier is Skip, the one that pulls up over the ferris wheel is Riggs.

I find it hard to believe that Skip, of all people, would do such a thing. Up until a few days ago, this incident has been extremely low profile in the public arena and no one on any of the aviation forums has mentioned it. Does anyone know if Skip is in any investigation regarding this, or if the FAA has attempted to violate him?

I would be shocked if that were actually him.

[flyboyj]

According to someone with the FAA the plane that makes the pass off the end of the pier is Skip, the one that pulls up over the ferris wheel is Riggs.

I find it hard to believe that Skip, of all people, would do such a thing. Up until a few days ago, this incident has been extremely low profile in the public arena and no one on any of the aviation forums has mentioned it. Does anyone know if Skip is in any investigation regarding this, or if the FAA has attempted to violate him?

I would be shocked if that were actually him.

It was him....

And this isn't the first time he's been in hot water with the Feds.

Pilot in Stunt Case May Get Wings Clipped

By DAVID FREED, Times Staff Writer|February 24, 1987

Federal aviation officials said Monday that they plan to suspend for 180 days the license of a top test pilot accused last month of performing stunts in a World War II fighter plane that posed a "collision hazard" to a commuter airliner.

The Federal Aviation Administration identified the accused flier as Skip J. Holm, a decorated Vietnam combat pilot who flew stunts for the movie, "The Right Stuff," and works in Lockheed Corp.'s classified projects section.

Piloting a P-51C Mustang on Jan. 29, Holm allegedly performed a series of "spiraling and rolling maneuvers" and came within half a mile of a twin-engine Skywest Metroliner that was on an instrument-landing approach to Burbank Airport, FAA officials said.

A Skywest spokesman, Dan Rymer, reported the Mustang came "close enough to startle the (Metroliner's) crew. The P-51 climbed vertically from about 4,500 feet, did a full roll at 5,300, then dove out of sight through a cloud bank. . . . Thirty seconds later, our pilot saw it rolling and climbing back up through the cloud deck, and then spiraling back down through it again."

Skywest Flight 1606, carrying three passengers and a two-man crew, "flew a detour" to avoid the P-51 and landed uneventfully, Rymer said.

The FAA's regional counsel, DeWitte T. Lawson Jr., last week sent Holm a "notice of proposed certificate action," accusing him of performing acrobatics over a heavily populated area and of operating "an aircraft so close to another aircraft as to create a collision hazard."

"Your operation . . . was careless or reckless so as to endanger the life and property of another," the notice stated.

Has 15 Days to Respond

Holm, 43, has 15 days to respond to the agency's allegations. Meanwhile, he can continue flying.

On Monday, he denied any wrongdoing and said he plans to appeal the FAA's action. Holm said he had a clear view of the Metroliner while he was in the air that day and never flew closer than one mile to it.

"I would probably agree that there would have been the potential for a midair if the airplanes had been flying head-on," Holm said. "But we were flying 90 degrees in different directions. I think the airline guys were just a little premature in calling it what they did."

As for allegations that he was doing spirals and rolls in the high-performance, single-engine Mustang, Holm said, "I was just taking the airplane up to warm it up."

"I don't blame the FAA for this," he added. " . . . I suppose it's their job to crucify people."

Could Face Jail Term

Holm's alleged violations, meanwhile, remain under criminal investigation by the Los Angeles city attorney. If found guilty of reckless flying, Holm could face as much as six months in jail and a $1,000 fine.

FAA records show that in 1985, Holm paid a $950 fine after he was accused of performing stunts without proper permits at an air show in Bakersfield the year before. Holm was flying a F-86 jet fighter at the time.

He said Monday that he was asked to stunt-fly at the Bakersfield air show by an FAA official who was attending the event. That official, however, died of a heart attack before Holm could defend himself against charges raised by others from the agency who were present that day, Holm said.

"I paid the fine to get them off my back," Holm said. "I'd go back to combat any day if I could leave these administrators to themselves."

A member of the Society of Experimental Test Pilots, Holm spent 20 years in the Air Force and served three tours of duty flying fighter-bombers in Vietnam where, he said, he logged "almost more combat time than anybody."

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[gary1954]

This appeared to be a bit of an "airshow" and I am surprised that these guys you guys know busted the parameters for an "airshow" man, one seagull , one flameout, could have been extremely ugly . Saftey appeared to be out the canopy on a couple of passes .

[Chris Brame]

5 extra points for identifying the obscure reference within the 1941 poster!

OK:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URuxiLrOQZU

[Ztex]

Meh...the Kelso reference is too easy.

[ZRX61]

Does anyone know if Skip is in any investigation regarding this, or if the FAA has attempted to violate him?

From what I heard today Skip & Riggs are engaged in a lot of finger pointing at each other.

[warbird1]

It was him....

And this isn't the first time he's been in hot water with the Feds.

Pilot in Stunt Case May Get Wings Clipped

By DAVID FREED, Times Staff Writer|February 24, 1987

Federal aviation officials said Monday that they plan to suspend for 180 days the license of a top test pilot................

A few observations:

1) That happened a long time ago back in 1987. Skip was much younger, and the climate of the FAA was much different then as well. Besides, obviously being in a pre-911 environment, you could probably get away with a lot more then than you could today.

2) Whatever happened to Skip from this? What was the final outcome? Did he get violated?

[flyboyj]

It was him....

And this isn't the first time he's been in hot water with the Feds.

Pilot in Stunt Case May Get Wings Clipped

By DAVID FREED, Times Staff Writer|February 24, 1987

Federal aviation officials said Monday that they plan to suspend for 180 days the license of a top test pilot................

A few observations:

1) That happened a long time ago back in 1987. Skip was much younger, and the climate of the FAA was much different then as well. Besides, obviously being in a pre-911 environment, you could probably get away with a lot more then than you could today.

2) Whatever happened to Skip from this? What was the final outcome? Did he get violated?

In 1987 Skip was an ADULT! A USAF officer, test pilot, and once again an ADULT. Sorry, it could of been 1977 and its still no excuse.

BTW - I've had to opportunity to meet Skip and even work with him once, and as a pilot I have the utmost respect for him, he's one of the best. At the same time I will say that at times he thinks he's above the law.

There's been other scrapes with the FAA between 1987 and now, and post 9-11 and the current mindset of the FAA has nothing to do with it.

I heard he's going to walk....