Thu Jun 16, 2005 12:15 am
F3A-1 wrote:Great P-47! Congratulations to those responsible for the great recovery. Now the real question is if the Naval Historical Center is going to test the new Title 14 law and chase our fellow aircraft preservers in Europe or just selectively abuse Americans.
Pirate Lex
I am not sure if our Naval Bretheren would have clear title to this one. Mainly diue to that the Jug was never a Naval Bird in the first place...though I could be wrong.
They really should keep their grubby hands off this one anyway...the Army Air Corps flew these and the type was mainly and AAF aircraft so why would the Navy get involved in it in the firt place at all ???
Paul
Thu Jun 16, 2005 12:19 am
i agree.... just because h20 water, or liquid is involved doesn't make it navy territory for control, 
NHC
Thu Jun 16, 2005 2:15 am
AirMech Paul...some points of Title 14 contend to include NHC's control of
ANY submerged former American-origin artifacts...regardless of Service
Branch! Get out the lawyers and congressman.....
ANY submerged former American-origin artifacts...regardless of Service
Branch! Get out the lawyers and congressman.....
Re: NHC
Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:00 am
airnutz wrote: Get out the lawyers and congressman.....
Just like flies on Poop
Thu Jun 16, 2005 12:02 pm
There was a Twin Mustang F-82G 46-394 that went missing in Korea in 1950 with the name 'Dottie Mae'
The pilot was Capt Julius Cleveland FLUHR Jr who was born 1919, and I know who was in the USAF in 1945
Does anyone know which unit he served with in 1944/1945 - I wonder if he was the assigned pilot if (and this is a big IF) he was on the 405 FG, 511 Sqn
For a picture of the F-82G see:
http://mitglied.lycos.de/FlugzeugArchiv ... _F-82G.htm
The pilot was Capt Julius Cleveland FLUHR Jr who was born 1919, and I know who was in the USAF in 1945
Does anyone know which unit he served with in 1944/1945 - I wonder if he was the assigned pilot if (and this is a big IF) he was on the 405 FG, 511 Sqn
For a picture of the F-82G see:
http://mitglied.lycos.de/FlugzeugArchiv ... _F-82G.htm
serial
Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:37 pm
It is a P-47D-28-RA s/n 42-29150
I am the master! (no ego here!)
I am the master! (no ego here!)
Re: NHC
Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:12 am
airnutz wrote:AirMech Paul...some points of Title 14 contend to include NHC's control of
ANY submerged former American-origin artifacts...regardless of Service
Branch! Get out the lawyers and congressman.....
Really ??
I was unaware of that particular portion of this law or act. I always beleived that if a plane was or saw USN service then it was Navy until it was smelted back into the original aluminum. Interesting info...food for thought though as far as just how far the USN and this Title 14 will go when t comes to "aquiring" the remains of these aircraft.
Respectfully,
Paul
Last edited by Aircraft Mech Paul on Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:14 am, edited 1 time in total.
Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:14 am
Well, it's really the D.O.D. who put the language in a bill, under the influence of the NHC. It doesn't mean they will enforce it. How could they enforce it?
Re: serial
Fri Jun 17, 2005 7:05 am
Jack Cook wrote:It is a P-47D-28-RA s/n 42-29150
I am the master! (no ego here!)
Well done Jack !
just received a closeup scan showing the data-block; it's somewhat blurry but it seems to confirm firms your ID-tag here.
Martin
Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:14 am
Martin,
Would it be possible to see a picture of the datablock scan ?
Groetjes,
Paul
PS: did you get the picture of Rob's painting ?
Would it be possible to see a picture of the datablock scan ?
Groetjes,
Paul
PS: did you get the picture of Rob's painting ?
Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:22 am
Paul
sure
here's the scan, courtesy and copyright of Dave McDonald from NZ
Martin
Paul - did get it - I am envious !
sure
here's the scan, courtesy and copyright of Dave McDonald from NZ
Martin
Paul - did get it - I am envious !
Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:27 am
Fast delivery Martin, thanks !
Rob payed 200 EUR for it...
Paul
Rob payed 200 EUR for it...
Paul
Re: serial
Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:13 am
Swiss Mustangs wrote:Jack Cook wrote:It is a P-47D-28-RA s/n 42-29150
I am the master! (no ego here!)
Well done Jack !
just received a closeup scan showing the data-block; it's somewhat blurry but it seems to confirm firms your ID-tag here.
Martin
The trouble I have.. Is that the photos shows an aircraft WITHOUT a dorsal fin.. Martin, earlier you said
"I figured, that it definitely is an early P-47D, either a D-25-RE or a D-26-RA variant, because following the D-27-RE and D-27-RA had the a dorsal fin fitted just ahead of the rudder (at the factories). "
Can anyone confirm when the block numbers changed with the application of a Dorsal fin???
p-47
Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:22 am
I wish I could read the pilots name?
Martin any luck on the a/c code letter?????????????
Martin any luck on the a/c code letter?????????????
Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:41 am
Paul
I have to adjust my earlier statement re. dorsal-fin - as a P-51 specialist, I struggled to learn a lot on the P-47 during the past few days. As it turns out, the dorsal fin was introduced later than stated - I have photos of P-47's in the same serial-block as the ship from Traunsee - 42-29140 didn't have the dorsal fin, 42-29259 had it - later s/n's in the FY44 region came without...... need some more time here
Martin
I have to adjust my earlier statement re. dorsal-fin - as a P-51 specialist, I struggled to learn a lot on the P-47 during the past few days. As it turns out, the dorsal fin was introduced later than stated - I have photos of P-47's in the same serial-block as the ship from Traunsee - 42-29140 didn't have the dorsal fin, 42-29259 had it - later s/n's in the FY44 region came without...... need some more time here
Martin