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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:52 pm 
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I was helping my brother work on his newly purchased PT-26 today. Fortunately, it was a local purchase as the plane has not flown in five years. Surprisingly, it was fully restored in 1992 and only has 110 hours since. I'd flown US PT-23s previously, but this was my first exposure to a PT-26.

Why did the RCAF have the mixture backwards of the US? Full forward is idle cut off on the PT-26 with full rich all the way back. This is exactly opposite of the PT-19 and PT-23

Also, why did RAF/RCAF have the floor mounted compass? Was it considered more accurate than a panel/windshield mounted version? Finally, underneath that floor mounted compass, there is a piece which is hinged and drops down and swings rearward. No clue what it is or does.

Here is a really lousy photo I took with my Blackberry as an after thought as we were about to leave for the day.

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There used to be a lot of differences in engine control operation. Nations and even individual makers used different arrangements and operation movements. In France throttles worked backward to current practice. I think it was only during WW2 that standardization of engine control arrangements and movements began.

It is a little strange that the previous restorer didn't change the mixture over since he chose a US paint scheme.

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WWIIABN wrote:
Also, why did RAF/RCAF have the floor mounted compass? Was it considered more accurate than a panel/windshield mounted version?

Interesting question. The RAF (and Commonwealth air forces) had standardised on the Air Ministry blind flying panel sometime in the 1930s. Above this 'big six' on fighters would be the reflector gunsight, and the P-2 compass was usually situated below the panel - between the pilot's knees / feet on single width cockpits, or to the left or right of the pilot's knees on wider cockpits. So I'd guess it was a question of configuring the trainer cockpit to be similar to the operational type's layout. The P-2 and similar compasses had to be read from above, and so couldn't be mounted at eye level. The Fairey Swordfish (an open cockpit biplane Royal Navy type) had the compass in the upper wing and read through a mirror.

Just a guess though.

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Finally, underneath that floor mounted compass, there is a piece which is hinged and drops down and swings rearward. No clue what it is or does.

Doubt this is the answer, but many inter-war and early W.W.II British bomber types had a hatch under the pilot's seat where the observer could lie down and use a course setting bombsight for level bombing and - allegedly - torpedo release - the Swordfish again having this set up with a torpedo and bomb release buttons and duplicated altimeter and ASI. (Others were the Hawker Hart family and Fairey Battle).

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Without seeing it, are you referring to the control locks? It swings back to lock the stick. This is on while staionary but has to be removed when ground handling..
A picture would help to be sure.

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m charters wrote:
Without seeing it, are you referring to the control locks? It swings back to lock the stick. This is on while staionary but has to be removed when ground handling..
A picture would help to be sure.


No, the part that swings down to which I refer is part of the compass assembly.

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John Dupre wrote:
It is a little strange that the previous restorer didn't change the mixture over since he chose a US paint scheme.


Yes, especially since he has two other PTs, one of which is for parts only.

I used to fly a friend's Skybolt which had the mixture reversed from what is standard. We placed a piece of velcro around it so you couldn't accidentally "push it lean". Never could understand that one since someone had to build it from scratch that way.......guess it was just easier. :(

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Quote; "The Fairey Swordfish (an open cockpit biplane Royal Navy type) had the compass in the upper wing and read through a mirror."

Was the lettering, markings on the compass painted in reverse? I used to ride brakes on DC-9s and 737s for an airline and found a small mirror assembly on the glareshield. It was designed to rotate and change pitch angle and I had no idea what it was for until one night while I was playing I suddenly saw the image of a standard wet compass in the mirror. The compass was mounted in a corner up above the copilots position and when I looked at it all the lettering was backwards so it could be read normally in the mirror.

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WWIIABN wrote:
John Dupre wrote:
It is a little strange that the previous restorer didn't change the mixture over since he chose a US paint scheme.


Yes, especially since he has two other PTs, one of which is for parts only.

I used to fly a friend's Skybolt which had the mixture reversed from what is standard. We placed a piece of velcro around it so you couldn't accidentally "push it lean". Never could understand that one since someone had to build it from scratch that way.......guess it was just easier. :(


One of the first aircraft I ever worked on in tech school was a Piper J5. It had identical knobs for mixture and carburetor heat side by side. We had to paint the mixture red. We should also have filed scallops around the periphery of the knob.

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John Dupre wrote:
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The Fairey Swordfish (an open cockpit biplane Royal Navy type) had the compass in the upper wing and read through a mirror.


Was the lettering, markings on the compass painted in reverse? I used to ride brakes on DC-9s and 737s for an airline and found a small mirror assembly on the glareshield. It was designed to rotate and change pitch angle and I had no idea what it was for until one night while I was playing I suddenly saw the image of a standard wet compass in the mirror. The compass was mounted in a corner up above the copilots position and when I looked at it all the lettering was backwards so it could be read normally in the mirror.

Another lesson on not relying on memory.

Here's a shot from the web of one of the RNHF Swordfish (LS326?) with the compass and mirror shown clearly - in the cockpit. :oops:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/geoffsphotos/2869015228/

Numbers are painted in reverse, readable in reflection (see 'original size' for detail).

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 5:26 pm 
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Hi WWIIABN,
I do not fly or operate a PT-26, or indeed any aircraft. The service and production history of the Fairchild PT series has interested me for some years and I have collected various resources on the type.

The Pilot Training Manual for the Fairchild PT series states..."MIXTURE CONTROLS. - Full forward for full-rich mixture on all models except PT-26. On PT-26 full aft for rich mixture and forward for lean mixture."

The manual also contains a photograph of the cockpit floor indicating the location of the cockpit heater shutter and there would have been a similar shutter in each cockpit.

There is also a photograph of the PT-26 instrument panel which shows both a compass and directional gyro integral with these panels. It is my understanding that the "Pilot Training Manual For the Army Models... Fairchild PT-19 PT-19A, 19B, PT-23, 26 T.O. NO. 01-115GA-1" relates only to the Fairchild-built PT-26, known in the RCAF and RAF as the Cornell Mark I.

The RCAF issued their own "Pilot's Notes for the Cornell II Aeroplane, C.A.P. 200". The cockpit photograph in the RCAF manual shows the compass mounted on the floor as you report. In fact looking at the panel there would barely be room for a compass. I assume therefore your brother's Cornell is a Mark II built by Fleet Aircraft Ltd., of Fort Erie, Ontario.

The description of the cockpit in the Canadian manual states..."Cockpit heating is taken from and intensifier tube mounted inside the the exhaust manifold and led to outlets in both cockpits. Heat is controlled by a control handle which is operated from either cockpit, but not independently".

The PT-26 was an adaption of the PT-19 designed specifically for use by the RCAF and RAF in Canada and entered service in July 1942. The training programmes throughout the Air Forces of the British Commonwealth and Dominions were closely tied to that of the RAF as were the aircraft, aircrews and man power. I understand the RAF elementary syllabus which included instrument and night exercises was used at all of the Elementary Flying Training Schools throughout Africa, Australia, Canada, India, the Middle East, New Zealand and the UK. There can be little doubt the weather over Britain and Europe, plus the RAF's preference for night bombing played a part in this greater emphasis instrument practice. Thus, PT-26's instruments included something similar to the standardardised RAF blind flying panel - and for Canadian use, a cockpit heater. The PT-27 Stearman which lacked both of these (and a canopy) had only a short career in the British Commonwealth Air Training Plan schools. The Norwegian flying school in Canada, whose graduates joined the Norwegian squadrons of the RAF, adopted the Fairchild M-62A in 1940. These M-62As were soon modified to incorporate gyro instruments and fitted with canopies. It is likely the early Norwegian experience of the type influenced the modifications the RCAF and RAF required of the M-62A.

The throttle and mixture arrangement is similar to that of the Harvard. Quote from "Harvard!" by Fletcher and Macphail...."In the Harvard, the mixture control was pulled back for rich mixture - the reverse of it's cousin, the Texan, in which the mixture was pulled back for lean! The Harvard system, although the reverse of the logical movement, was well thought out: a small catch ensured that if the throttle was retarded it enriched the the mixture at the same time, thereby preventing inadvertant excessive leaning of the fuel mixture and consequent engine damage". Presumably this was the standard arrangement in RAF aircraft of the time.

In my experience most of those who completed their elementary flying training on Cornells considered themselves fortunate. Whilst the extra weight of the modifications had done nothing for the overall performance of the Cornell, the advantages of a modern monoplane with flaps, cockpit enclosure, heater, electrics and better instruments over a simpler biplane Tiger Moth, Finch or Stearman were appreciated.

Whilst the colour scheme and markings are always the owner's choice, it is safe to say no PT-26 ever operated in USAAF blue and yellow colours during WW.2. Only the prototype which spent much of it's career at Wright Field was operated by the USAAF and that in RAF trainer yellow and, possibly, later in silver.

I offer the suggestion that if your brother has not already done so to join the Fairchild Club where he will find a wealth of experience and advice. The Club's new website can be found at http://www.fairchildclub.org/ and there is an active Fairchild Club forum on Yahoo Groups.

Hope this helps and fell free to PM me as I would like to hear more about this particular Cornell.

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Thanks for the info, Tony. Yes, the PT-26 panel is definitely much better than US PT aircraft with artificial horizon, directional gyros, etc. I checked my logbooks last night and both the Fairchild PTs I flew back in '86 were PT-23s. with Cont W-670........one had had a PT-26 canopy installed though so it was truly a bastardized version.

While the Cornell did weigh more, it had the 200hp Ranger vs the PT-19 175hp verson 6-440.

I was more interested in the logic behind the "forward-lean" mixture control. The PT-26 has the lever on the throttle which will catch the mixture also. Still is counterintuitive to pull rich as when something starts going wrong, instinct is to push everything forward and that is definitely not good in the -26!

I'll try to get some pictures of the compass and post here.

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