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Re: Global warming Texas style

Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:25 am

I found this in the news the other day. Interesting....

The Next Climate-gate?
By John Lott
- FOXNews.com
A new report points to a sharp reduction of weather stations by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in cooler locations around the world since 1990. Could that be why global temps have seen a steady rise over the last 20 years?

The global warming scandal keeps getting worse. Revelations over the few weeks show that many important assertions in the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change were based on misquotes and false claims from environmental groups, not on published academic research as it was originally presented. This is on top of the recent mess regarding data, where the three most relied-on data series used by the United Nation's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change 2007 assessment report still have not been released. Other data simply never seem to have existed or cannot be provided to other scientists.
But probably the most damaging report has come from Joseph D’Aleo, the first Director of Meteorology and co-founder of the Weather Channel, and Anthony Watts, a meteorologist and founder of SurfaceStations.org.
In a January 29 report, they find that starting in 1990, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) began systematically eliminating climate measuring stations in cooler locations around the world. Yes, that's right. They began eliminating stations that tended to record cooler temperatures and drove up the average measured temperature. The eliminated stations had been in higher latitudes and altitudes, inland areas away from the sea, as well as more rural locations. The drop in the number of weather stations was dramatic, declining from more than 6,000 stations to fewer than 1,500.
D’Aleo and Watts show that the jumps in measured global temperature occur just when the number of weather stations is cut.
But there is another bias that this change to more urban stations also exacerbates. Recorded temperatures in more urban areas rise over time simply because more densely populated areas produce more heat. Combining the greater share of weather stations in more urban areas over time with this urban heat effect also tends to increase the rate that recorded temperatures tend to rise over time.
Their report provides examples of how the systematic elimination of stations and unexplained adjustments in temperature data caused measured temperatures to rise for Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Norway, Sweden, and the United States. Many adjustments change what would have been a drop in temperatures into an increase. Take New Zealand, where D’Aleo and Watts note: “About half the adjustments actually created a warming trend where none existed; the other half greatly exaggerated existing warming.”
D’Aleo and Watts also criticize how these data adjustments are often unexplained or poorly documented. In one case involving James Hansen at NASA a Freedom of Information Act request has been unanswered for over two years.
The report details other fascinating temperature biases. For example, Siberia has experienced one the greatest increases in recorded warming. A large drop in the number of stations and the some missing data can explain part of the change, but apparently during the Soviet-era areas with lower recorded temperatures received more fuel and money, creating a real incentive for weather stations to lie.
The D’Aleo and Watts’ report also helps answer some puzzling questions about the report. One of the major ones questions has been the divergence in temperature data recorded by satellites in space and down here on the ground. That difference was very small when satellites first started being used during the 1980s but has grown over time, with ground observations showing a rise in temperature relative to the satellite data. The urban warming effect may also explain why land warming has between so much greater than ocean warming.
All three terrestrial global-temperature datasets (National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration/ National Climatic Data Center, NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies, and University of East Anglia) really rely on the same measures of surface temperatures. These three sources do not provide independent measures of how the world’s temperatures have changed over time. The relatively small differences that do arise from these three institutions result from how they adjust the raw data.
Flawed data leads to flawed conclusions. Whether these errors were made on purpose or by accident ultimately doesn’t matter. Especially with tens of trillions of dollars at stake, science should be more transparent than this. But we can only draw one conclusion: the studies based on that data, no matter the number, are ultimately unreliable.
John R. Lott, Jr. is a FoxNews.com contributor. He is an economist and author of "Freedomnomics."

Re: Global warming Texas style

Fri Feb 12, 2010 8:37 am

FOXNews.com

meteorologists again? bleck.

Re: Global warming Texas style

Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:03 pm

Here's some photos. It quit snowing about midnight, and we got about 12 inches of "climate change". We set a new record that beat a 1978 record. That's the first snowman I built in about 40 years....

Lady02pilot: This only happens about once every 5 or so years. It's happened twice now in one season. :roll:

Muddyboots: If you bothered to read the article you would have noticed it was written by John Lott.

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Re: Global warming Texas style

Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:25 pm

The sides are too entrenched to have their minds changed by a single article by a source they suspect. The thing that bothers me about AGW is the money and the power grab by the pro-forces. They also give no credence to similar climate change on the other planets of our solar system. We won't know one way or the other for another thirty or forty years.

Awning fell off of my dad's shop in the Fair Park area of Dallas, the window in my wife's car fell out of the track during the heaviest part of the snowfall, the streets are in better shape today than yesterday and I thought I was going to be able to take it easy today.

I wonder how many snowplows are in this part of Texas? At least one, and I was driving it.
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The plow attachment was still in the shop, but the grader worked just fine.
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Re: Global warming Texas style

Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:03 pm

Cozmo; Did you know the IPCC is headed by an economist? That should answer the question of what's behind "climate change"...

I shoveled snow this morning for the first time in 30 years! I know y'all up in Yankee land are probably laughing at us, but this is a big event here.

Re: Global warming Texas style

Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:24 pm

No, I didn't know that. I cannot think of anything right now that impresses me about the UN.

Just because there are a lot of crooks making a ton of money off of global warming doesn't mean it isn't happening. The long term data just isn't there to justify the belief. I put more faith into the studies we did in school when DFW airport opened and the weather data from Love and Meecham were no longer the official data. The single temperature report skewed the average temperature for north Texas.

I'm from yankeeland, well Nebraska, but I consider anything north of the Red river yankeeland nowdays. Its been forty years since I had to shovel snow. Not that there hasn't been any, just that I haven't shoveled it. We even have a snow shovel at the shop. A real one, not a grain scoop.

Re: Global warming Texas style

Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:27 pm

I'm from Minnesota. I had to use a grain scoop this morning.

Re: Global warming Texas style

Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:40 pm

Here are a few of "our" deer that are getting really tired of winter also. I took these at the beginning of our last snowfall a couple of weeks ago when we got ten inches. When it snows now they just come up and nibble around in the flowerbeds and around the bird feeders.

I grew up in Nebraska too, and all I ever used was a grain shovel! 8) Now I use the tractor and loader and just skip the scooping---it'll melt pretty soon!

Scott

Re: Global warming Texas style

Fri Feb 12, 2010 1:41 pm

Ummmm......I forgot the photo.

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Re: Global warming Texas style

Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:12 pm

I don't know John Lott or anything about his background or most important, where he gets his money from. In effect who's side is buttering his toast.
But if he is a regular contributor to FOX news, that says something about his bias and what side he is pushing.
Wonder if he is related to Trent Lott?

BIG ALERT, did you know that there have been a lot of FAA flight service stations closed in cold areas like Colorado? Course there have also been lot's closed in warm areas too. I can use whatever facts I want to emphasize one side, don't even have to lie, just slant it.

Re: Global warming Texas style

Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:13 pm

I don't know John Lott or anything about his background or most important, where he gets his money from. In effect who's side is buttering his toast.
But if he is a regular contributor to FOX news, that says something about his bias and what side he is pushing.
Wonder if he is related to Trent Lott?

BIG ALERT, did you know that there have been a lot of FAA flight service stations closed in cold areas like Colorado? Course there have also been lot's closed in warm areas too. I can use whatever facts I want to emphasize one side, don't even have to lie, just slant it.

Re: Global warming Texas style

Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:28 pm

John Lott is Trent's son.

Re: Global warming Texas style

Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:28 pm

I just went to WIK and looked up John Lott, and it is worse than I would have guessed.
He once created a fictious person, Mary Roth, to praise his own work on line. When exposed he finally admitted it, said the liberal press drove him to it.
He has academic degrees, not in climatology or meterology.
Much of his writing has been pro gun lobby stuff, but he has also written against women's right to vote. That is not a misprint, he has a so called study of the ill effects of women being given the right to vote.

He is far enough to the right he might be coming all the way around the earth and back to the left, that is if the earth was in fact round. but we all know that that is just more of the liberal bs from those elite scientist and you can't trust them.

By the way, if it has been a cold year in Texas, it has been warmer than normal in Colorado, but doubt if that proves anything.

B-29, I am sure there must be some sorces for your side that are more genuine than this guy.

Re: Global warming Texas style

Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:10 pm

He never claimed he had his Phd in climatology or meterology. So, he wrote about womens right to vote, what's that got to do about "climate change"? His Phd is economics, and did you know the head of the IPCC is an economist? Why would you put an economist at the head of a scientific panel that studies climate change unless there's an alterior motive behind it? :?

What do you consider a trusted source? Are you trying to shut down the debate about "Man made climate change"?

In regards to the Texas weather, it sure is strange to have two snowstorms already this season when we normally only have one every other year. Normally we get one maybe two ice storms and that's it. We're suppose to have temps back in the fifties this weekend so it should be mostly gone by Monday. How's the skiing up your way?

Re: Global warming Texas style

Sat Feb 13, 2010 1:22 am

B-29, is my history on WIX one of trying to shut down debate about climate change,or anything else for that matter?

But if this guy is the source that you are using,then I think you are being taken for a ride. In this day and age you would have a very hard time finding many people who do not believe in equal voting rights for the female half of our population. What woud you tell you Mom or daughter, that she is not good enough to vote like a man? I also looked up the father, Trent. He was the guy who was against allowing Black students to join any fraternity in college. Now you and I have never met,but I hope and expect that you don't share or advocate these beliefs.

I am not an expert on gobal warming, but I do know a skunk when I smell one and these Lott guys have a real foul history.
I woud be willing to bet $100 that if you investigate their fianances there is a lot of oil industry money behind the father if not the son also.
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