Warbird Information Exchange

The California legislature makes anarchy look like a viable alternative.

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Had God intended for man to fly behind inline engines, Pratt & Whitney would have made them.

CB

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They are politicians... idiocy goes hand in hand with the job.

Actually, my Dad spent 10 years in the Ohio House. He earned the "watchdog of the Treasury" every year. He was on the board of directors for the NRA, and just a bit conservative. He even had to appear before the Speaker for stamping a tax hike bill "BS". He had this big red "BS" stamp and he was not afraid to use it.

I miss him more every day.

We need more folks like that to run for office and stay true to their beliefs. Too many run on good values and then turn traitor.

Ryan

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Aerial Photographer with Red Wing Aerial Photography currently based at KRBD and tailwheel CFI.
Websites: Texas Tailwheel Flight Training, DoolittleRaid.com and Lbirds.com.

The horse is prepared against the day of battle: but safety is of the LORD. - Prov. 21:31 - Train, Practice, Trust.

I too, take exception to the blanket statement. My Dad spent 6 terms in the Texas Legislature and 2 terms as a county commissioner. He worked hard to return power to the local governments and to push the conservative viewpoint. This, after a 30 year career as a nationally respected dentist. He was representing the American Dental Association during the Hillary Health Care debacle. Those of you who have dental insurance can thank him for working with the insurance companes in order to guarantee that your dentist determines your healthcare, not some guy in an out of town office.

To tie this in to warbirds, his unit was the last USAF Reserve Troop Carrier Wing to fly the C-46. They took them out to the boneyard and transitioned to the C-119. He was a Navigator instructor at Ellington AFB, Houston. I am fortunate to still have him with me.

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Admiral Isoruku Yamamoto

Sorry folks, I am from Illinois and REALLY annoyed at the government at the moment. From having 2 family members who are in education, and having a state representative who voted along party lines rather than what his constituents wanted him to vote. The 2 family members are experiencing cutbacks and overloads. Sorry for the blanket statement. I'll just go back to lurking.

Also, just so you know I was trying to be sarcastic... guess that's why I just need to lurk. I don't get my feeling through on the keyboard.

I fail to see how this bill could have prevented the kind of fraud that went on at Silver State Helicopters.

Those of you wondering "who these people are" well, there's your answer. Idiots are prevalent on both sides of the political fence.

I wonder if this affects A&P Schools as well? that shold help kill off the last of the California aerospace industry.

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Absolutely! A bigger school is MUCH more likely to cheat you out of your money than the little guy who you pay-per-flight and drop if you don't like. I think it's about the state controlling education for their purposes, and for trying to control more of the revenue in the state. This will do NOTHING to improve the real quality of education in the state. If anything, it will make it worse.

Ryan

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Aerial Photographer with Red Wing Aerial Photography currently based at KRBD and tailwheel CFI.
Websites: Texas Tailwheel Flight Training, DoolittleRaid.com and Lbirds.com.

The horse is prepared against the day of battle: but safety is of the LORD. - Prov. 21:31 - Train, Practice, Trust.

NOW THAT!!!! Is my kind of Gov-ment!!

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Kind Regards,
Gary Lewis
J.A.F.O.

Actually, I read it a little bit differently...I think they are saying you have to have 3 years experience "in flight" not as an instructor.

Kind of an odd way to regulate it as how do they measure that? If I get my CFI in year one, and then only fly one hour in year 2 and in year 3, have I satisfied their requirements?

Bizzaro-world....

Ryan, I'd be very interested to see the statistics which support this claim. I can think of several "bigger flight schools" (fleets of 10+ airplanes) which are outstanding operations and run totally above-board. I could also point you to several smaller schools which have been known to cheat the customers.

Incidentally, I did my flight training at one of the "bigger schools" and paid per flight, after the flight each time. Only if you want to run a tab do you need to leave them a visa number.

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Can't bring up any numbers, but a LOT of the bigger flight schools have extra fees, stuff you "gotta" buy, and generally end up being a lot more expensive. Now I wasn't necessarily saying that smaller schools don't cheat customers, either. I was speaking more of independent flight instructors (the little guys) than schools in general. I've seen several mid-size schools come and go in my area and at least three of them have left customers in a lurch. Even if you get your money back, the likelyhood is that your training will either come to a halt, or will be messed up. That doesn't include the other flight schools that turn folks off through their hoops and such. I've got two students right now from one of those schools who I'm working with to finish up.

Ryan

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Aerial Photographer with Red Wing Aerial Photography currently based at KRBD and tailwheel CFI.
Websites: Texas Tailwheel Flight Training, DoolittleRaid.com and Lbirds.com.

The horse is prepared against the day of battle: but safety is of the LORD. - Prov. 21:31 - Train, Practice, Trust.

I've worked at a few large and small flight schools, either as a mechanic or flight instructor and I've seen wrong doings in both cases, however it seems the larger flight schools do tend to attach higher fees to some of the programs they run, basically to help cover their overhead. At the same time the most crooked flight school I seen was a small 5 plane operation where the owner squeezed every time from students and 2 aircraft owners who had their airplane on lease back.

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I'd characterize just about any school over 1-2 aircraft as capable of that. Never, ever, pay up front for more than a block you know you'll use in a short amount of time, and be cautious even then. I'd much rather pay an extra 5% as I go and just work a little harder than lose the money.

Ryan

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Aerial Photographer with Red Wing Aerial Photography currently based at KRBD and tailwheel CFI.
Websites: Texas Tailwheel Flight Training, DoolittleRaid.com and Lbirds.com.

The horse is prepared against the day of battle: but safety is of the LORD. - Prov. 21:31 - Train, Practice, Trust.

This isn't limited to flight schools. The same could be said for universities vs. community colleges. University bookstores are full of things you "gotta buy". Many professors will list their own textbooks as "mandatory reading" even if they have nothing to do with the course just to make you buy their book. Their tuition fees are generally way higher, but then that's the price you pay for going to a university over a community college. Having paid for four years of university tuition, I can tell you that there are never-ending ways they will nickel and dime you. However it is generally accepted, whether rightly or wrongly (at least in the academic world anyway), that the quality of your education is reflected in the name of the school on your diploma (and subsequently the price you paid for it).

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