Fw-190 F-AZZJ Down - Pilot OK

Al Moore · **Posted:** Sat Jun 12, 2010 12:04 pm

It appears, unfortunately, that the Dijon based Fw-190 has had an accident....

http://premar-mediterranee.gouv.fr/actu ... /6/12.html

RyanShort1 · **Posted:** Sat Jun 12, 2010 12:09 pm

Ouch! Looks like that one will be a bit hard to fix.

Ryan

Taylor Stevenson · **Posted:** Sat Jun 12, 2010 12:15 pm

Wasn't there another FW-190 Incident a few days ago? Four blade version with collapsed gear maybe a gear up? Someone sent me a photo, but I haven't seen anything here on it?

Iclo · **Posted:** Sat Jun 12, 2010 12:33 pm

Sad, I just saw it three weeks ago at "La ferté-Alais" airshow.

Hopefully the pilot, Marc "Leon" Mathis is ok.

Accordingly the first info available, the engine fails during a roll. He achieve to ditch near the beach and was rescued by some jet-ski playing in the area.

Nathan · **Posted:** Sat Jun 12, 2010 12:44 pm

(Edited due to insults)

Original conception of post: Not many have had experiance in 190's since WWII.

AndyG · **Joined:** Thu May 06, 2004 4:39 pm **Posts:** 93

Nathan wrote:

I was first going to make a comment that these seem to be having problems. But then again the pilots are probably being a little laxed since knowing these aircraft are "new" and are not being as careful. Plus I am sure the 190 is difficult to fly. Not like anyone has had much experiance since WWII. :idea:

(trying to look at both sides before I made a comment)

Nahan, is the 190 as difficult to fly as an Me109? or a Spitfire, or a P-51 or a P-40 or a cessna 152?

Nathan · **Posted:** Sat Jun 12, 2010 12:56 pm

Have no idea. Although I enjoyed flying a 152.

Dan K · **Posted:** Sat Jun 12, 2010 12:58 pm

me109me109 wrote:

Wasn't there another FW-190 Incident a few days ago? Four blade version with collapsed gear maybe a gear up? Someone sent me a photo, but I haven't seen anything here on it?

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=35843&start=90

AndyG · **Joined:** Thu May 06, 2004 4:39 pm **Posts:** 93

Nathan wrote:

Have no idea. Although I enjoyed flying a 152.

So you are not 'sure' then?

Robbo · **Posted:** Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:12 pm

AndyG wrote:

Nathan wrote:

Have no idea. Although I enjoyed flying a 152.

So you are not 'sure' then?

Maybe Nathan should wait until he is "sure"

Iclo · **Posted:** Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:15 pm

Nathan wrote:

the pilots are probably being a little laxed since knowing these aircraft are "new" and are not being as careful

I can't agree with you...
These planes are considered as prototype or experimental by their owner and pilots and considering the paintful job to put the Flugwek FW190s in the air, I seriously doubt that the pilots are not extremely carrefull when flying these planes.

Seeing the French FW-190 during the last "La Ferté-Alais" airshow, I can insure this plane was not the one perfoming the most impressive or "limit" demo

Bill Greenwood · **Posted:** Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:32 pm

I don't think the 190 has a reputation as being difficult to fly, save for the high stall speed and maybe abrupt stall under high g. I expect the plane probably takes off and lands well if one using the power with care at low speeds.
As for being careful, well if I was the pilot flying this one of this type, I would try to be extremely careful, and mindful that it is a rare,historic, whether replica or genuine or some of each, and the value of it, both of the money and time to restore. As an unproven new flyer, you'd also be cautious of any glitches.This type of heavy, high performance plane could be dangerous and must be respected to be safe, and ot preserve both plane and pilot.
I have been trusted by the owners to fly a few planes of different types, T-6/SNJ advanced trainer, Aronca Champ, basic trainer, and Spitfires, fighters. I was certainly aware and careful of the responsibility one has to the owner to use your best care.

lmritger · **Posted:** Sat Jun 12, 2010 1:41 pm

Oh, for the love...

Well, there's several pieces of good news here... first and foremost, the pilot is safe. Two, since it was apparently an engine failure, the bird wasn't going too fast when he put it in the drink which suggests it will likely be in decent shape (albeit wet). Three, it's 150 meters from shore, so it's not too deep... it can be recovered.

It'll surely be out of commission for quite a while as they disassemble and dry it out once it's recovered, but remember- the Collings F4U-5NL went in the drink off of New Smyrna Beach at one point, and she's back and better than ever. So yes, it sucks that he had to ditch it, but it's certainly not the end of the world for that lovely bird.

Although I do have to give the man his props, he deserves some sort of award for the most authentic WWII re-enactment... that's far from the first JG 2 Fw 190A to be ditched in the Channel.

(Just trying to lighten the mood a little here)

Lynn

Robbo · **Posted:** Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:11 pm

lmritger wrote:

Although I do have to give the man his props, he deserves some sort of award for the most authentic WWII re-enactment... that's far from the first JG 2 Fw 190A to be ditched in the Channel.

(Just trying to lighten the mood a little here)

Lynn

It went down in the Med, not the Channel.

Robbo · **Posted:** Sat Jun 12, 2010 2:11 pm

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