Warbird Information Exchange

Apparently an engine quit and the forced landing wasn't all that great.
http://www.morgenpost.de/berlin-aktuell/article1328731/Rosinenbomber-bei-Schoenefeld-verunglueckt.html

Evidently it's a write-off

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Wow, that could have been much, much worse. Glad to hear there were not fatalities.

I hope this doesn't mean the end of DC-3 pleasure flights over there.

I remember a couple of DC-3 accidents in the last few years where an airplane went down after an engine failure. I thought one of the selling points of the design back in the day was that it could fly decently on one engine.

What gives?

It can fly decently on one engine with the flaps and gear up. Engine failure on takeoff, even with a lightly loaded aircraft, is a dicey thing on most of these old aircraft. There's just not enough raw reserve power to keep them climbing.

the link makes no sense. it's in German

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A lightly loaded DC-3 will fly all day long and well on one engine if the running engine is putting out the power it's supposed to and the guy at the controls is doing his job correctly. I got my ATP in a 1938 model and most of the checkride was on one engine. You won't go fast on one engine. I haven't seen it done, but I have heard stories of a single engine takeoff. The DC-3 has lots of rudder and with a long runway and the correct crosswind I can see how it could be done.

The picture shows the gear and flaps up as I see it. Looks as if someone didn't do the correct pilot stuff, if you know what I mean.

From the one shot ("Bild 1") at high AOA with the gear up, maybe it was an intentional belly landing but stalled it in? You can see the left engine is feathered.

I thought most DC-3 operators did wheel landings.

It makes sense if you speak German... I think the point of the link was for the photos.

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Taylor Stevenson

All DC-3 operators that I worked for required the wheels to be down for landings.

If you should loose an engine just after rotation, you have you hands full and don't have time for much else if you can't maintain V2+ what ever you have. You have your emergency items. Somebody with DC-3 should chime in here if there are any memory items. There is the blue line but if your below that good luck as the saying is the 2nd engine is going to take you to the scene of the crash.

There is a Wikipedia page for this accident (Apparently there is a Wikipedia page for everything!) at the bottom there are several links to media coverage of the accident.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Berli ... DC-3_crash

A handy service to translate webpages into another language is Bablefish:

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/

77 knots is VMC and V2 is 84 KNOTS. If lift off occurs at 84 KNOTS + the airplane will continue flying, if properly flown. POWER - CONFIGURATION (gear up) - FEATHER

This makes me really sad. When this aircraft was G-AMPZ in the UK it was the first warbird I ever had a ride in.

I know DC3's are tough old birds, I hope something can be done with her.

Rich