other B-26s survivors

[12XU2A3X3]

okie, really quick,

other then the accepted survivors:

-the marietta, georgia b-26, accepted as a myth/fabrication/whatever, right?

-i've also seen reference to a third ship (as opposed to two) being in possession of air france.

comments?

[ww2John]

I do not know what Martin Marauder B26 you are referring to.
I only know of 7 surviving examples, all discussed in a previous B26 thread.
Would love to hear of #8, or #9, etc.

[12XU2A3X3]

me too!

[RareBear]

I lived in Marietta, Georgia, for 20 years. There's no B-26 there.

Walt

[12XU2A3X3]

one down.

so, were there two or three air france birds. if there were three, it's a fair guess the leftover was scrapped.

[12XU2A3X3]

btw, can anyone speak to what's actually left of 40-1418?

[JDK]

so, were there two or three air france birds. if there were three, it's a fair guess the leftover was scrapped.

It feels like the rest of us have come in halfway through a private conversation!

If you could be a little less vague and give a bit more detail of what you know - the basis for the questions - there might be more help forthcoming.

There is currently one Martin B-26 Marauder in France. It's fully restored in the Musée de l'Air et de l'Espace, le Bourget, Paris. The concept of a another Schlumpf type collection popping up is not impossible, but is very unlikely. France isn't terra incognita. There were other civil-registered B-26 Marauders in France, but not now, IMHO.

Do you have any edition of the Warbird Directory? most of these kind of questions are easily answered by it.

Regards,

[Dan Jones]

A guy at work who used to fly in that neighborhood claims there's still one fuselage left in "Million Dollar Valley", but...

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[12XU2A3X3]

i was trying to spare everyone another whole thread on marauder survivors. i didn't mean to be terse, i just assumed that people would know the two supposed air frames i was talking about.

clear data and metrics:

1. 40-1370 @ Hill via AK
2. 40-1426 in situ PNG
3. 40-1459 @ MAPS via MARC via MDV
4. 40-1464 @ POF via MARC via MDV
5. 40-1501 @ Pima via MARC via MDV
6. 41-31773 @ NASM via USAF
7. 43-34581 USAFM via Air France
8. 44-68219 PASM via Air France

now, my questions:

1. was there another airframe somewhere in the ether of northern georgia? answer: no, probably not.
2. is there another survivor from the collection the G survivors 43-34581 & 44-68219 came from? i had read, in some source i am trying to locate, that there were three airframes. (i have also read elsewhere there were but two)
3. what is the condition of 40-1426 as of late, worth the salvage or no? i know locals have stripped much of the aircraft
4.huh, so there could be another Million Dollar Valley Fuselage eh? interesting. not really a question.

[JDK]

i was trying to spare everyone another whole thread on marauder survivors.

Don't spare us. People pay good money for that sh... well, you know.

2. is there another survivor from the collection the G survivors 43-34581 & 44-68219 came from? i had read, in some source i am trying to locate, that there were three airframes. (i have also read elsewhere there were but two)

Other French civil B-26s, according to the current Warbird Directory*: -
B-26C 42-107717 F-WEPO, later F-ZVLD with Dassault Aviation, no record after 1951, prior to which was used for jet engine testing.

B-26G 43-34584, later F-WBXM, later F-ZVLA, same as above, no record after '58.

B-26G 44-68219, now at the Musee de l'Air, - 'id. prev. incorrectly rep. as 42-85857'

3. what is the condition of 40-1426 as of late, worth the salvage or no? i know locals have stripped much of the aircraft

Warbird Directory lists: "substantially complete inverted hulk, still in situ 00/05". I'll pin back the ears and let you know (down the track) if I hear anything. I'm sure you are aware of the interesting times likely trying to get airframes out of PNG nowadays.

Other ex-Civil 'vanished' B-26s listed...
42-107758, XB-PEX, Crashed, Dest, Mexico City, 1965.
42-107640, N1502, crashed and dest. near Marion OH, 1959.
41-35542, N501T, struck-off USCR, 1965.
41-35541, N75072, struck-off USCR, 1965.
41-35373, NL1500M, C. Orr W. Simmons: sale not completed 1949

All just extracts from the 5th Ed of the Warbird Directory*.

Regards,

*Support your directory compilers: http://www.warbirdsdirectory.goodall.com.au/

[Pat Carry]

i was trying to spare everyone another whole thread on marauder survivors. i didn't mean to be terse, i just assumed that people would know the two supposed air frames i was talking about.

clear data and metrics:

1. 40-1370 @ Hill via AK
2. 40-1426 in situ PNG
3. 40-1459 @ MAPS via MARC via MDV
4. 40-1464 @ POF via MARC via MDV
5. 40-1501 @ Pima via MARC via MDV
6. 41-31773 @ NASM via USAF
7. 43-34581 USAFM via Air France
8. 44-68219 PASM via Air France

now, my questions:

1. was there another airframe somewhere in the ether of northern georgia? answer: no, probably not.
2. is there another survivor from the collection the G survivors 43-34581 & 44-68219 came from? i had read, in some source i am trying to locate, that there were three airframes. (i have also read elsewhere there were but two)
3. what is the condition of 40-1426 as of late, worth the salvage or no? i know locals have stripped much of the aircraft
4.huh, so there could be another Million Dollar Valley Fuselage eh? interesting. not really a question.

I'm confused. 40-1464 is at the Planes of Fame? Is that supposed to be Fantasy of Flight?

[Pat Carry]

i was trying to spare everyone another whole thread on marauder survivors. i didn't mean to be terse, i just assumed that people would know the two supposed air frames i was talking about.

clear data and metrics:

1. 40-1370 @ Hill via AK
2. 40-1426 in situ PNG
3. 40-1459 @ MAPS via MARC via MDV
4. 40-1464 @ POF via MARC via MDV
5. 40-1501 @ Pima via MARC via MDV
6. 41-31773 @ NASM via USAF
7. 43-34581 USAFM via Air France
8. 44-68219 PASM via Air France

now, my questions:

1. was there another airframe somewhere in the ether of northern georgia? answer: no, probably not.
2. is there another survivor from the collection the G survivors 43-34581 & 44-68219 came from? i had read, in some source i am trying to locate, that there were three airframes. (i have also read elsewhere there were but two)
3. what is the condition of 40-1426 as of late, worth the salvage or no? i know locals have stripped much of the aircraft
4.huh, so there could be another Million Dollar Valley Fuselage eh? interesting. not really a question.

I'm confused part 2. PASM & Pima are one in the same? I believe 44-68219 in the one on display in France.

[JDK]

Just to be clear - 44-68219 is at the Musee de l'Air, 40-1464 is the Fantasy of Flight example.

[Mark_Pilkington]

i was trying to spare everyone another whole thread on marauder survivors. i didn't mean to be terse, i just assumed that people would know the two supposed air frames i was talking about.

clear data and metrics:

1. 40-1370 @ Hill via AK
2. 40-1426 in situ PNG
3. 40-1459 @ MAPS via MARC via MDV
4. 40-1464 @ POF via MARC via MDV
5. 40-1501 @ Pima via MARC via MDV
6. 41-31773 @ NASM via USAF
7. 43-34581 USAFM via Air France
8. 44-68219 PASM via Air France

now, my questions:

1. was there another airframe somewhere in the ether of northern georgia? answer: no, probably not.
2. is there another survivor from the collection the G survivors 43-34581 & 44-68219 came from? i had read, in some source i am trying to locate, that there were three airframes. (i have also read elsewhere there were but two)
3. what is the condition of 40-1426 as of late, worth the salvage or no? i know locals have stripped much of the aircraft
4.huh, so there could be another Million Dollar Valley Fuselage eh? interesting. not really a question.

I'm confused part 2. PASM & Pima are one in the same? I believe 44-68219 in the one on display in France.

In regards to the list above and specifically question 4, Yes there is another Million Dollar Vallet fuselage sans cockpit still in situ, and then there is a cockpit (without a fuselage smiles) recently surfaced (literally) at Watsons Lake Yukon.

Those two items together with item 3, the remains of 40-1426, would seem to provide a viable static restoration option to produce a 9th survivor.

Regards

Mark Pilkington

[gary1954]

With regard to the cockpit from Watsons Lake, the few pictures we have see of it looked like it was virtually unbolted from the center section. I don't know about you, but I do not recall ever seeing the remainder of the fuselage from which the cockpit was removed, how damaged is it? could it too be "saved"?