Warbird Information Exchange

Finally! The one person who appreciates my odd sense of humor. I feel verrrrrrry sorry for you sir...

I dont care if people take offense at my posting or not, the simple fact is not ONE SINGLE mention was made of the millions of people who have been devastated by Katrina before my posting.

I find that odd. I can understand that there is concern for historical artefacts but lets face it, they pale into insignificance when compared to the fact that a whole City and most of 3 States have been devastated.

I'm not saying it shouldnt be discussed but have a care for the victims please. How many times has a Warbird crashed and relief been expressed because the pilot survived, its the same thing just different circumstances.

Would you go up to the relative of someone who died in a car crash and ask about the car?

Call it decorum, tact or diplomacy, its lacking in the start of this thread.

With respect Rob this is a bit bigger than and ice storm, this is possibly the worse natural disaster that has hit your fine country.

I apologise if I have upset people, I just think that asking about the effects on a few museums before the disaster has even abated is a bit, well, odd.

Roger

Great you've watched it all on TV, its not really relavant to this discussion is it.

bdk

I got it and chuckled as well.

My final word, we clearly have a difference of opinion. I have had my say and I will withdraw on this matter. Yesterday I had a stand up arguement with the manager of the local Red Cross shop for not having an appeal for the victims of this disaster. Today I will do the same at Oxfam.

I remember about 3 years ago I was in N.O. with the CAF B-24/B29. The sponsor was a business who repaired off shore oil rig helicopters. I cant remember the mans name but he was very respected by the community for everything he did for them. In fact while we were there he provided free hot dogs and sodas for the public. In his hanger he also had a few Warbirds. I remember a Sky Radier, a Fliesler Storch, a Howard 500, and If I am not mistaken a N3N.

BL370

Well the fuselage, engine and tail group are real. This is a recovered crash that was faithfully rebuilt using original materials, even discarded skins from airworthy restorations.

When sold to the US, Pat Taylor opted to have 'look alike' wings constructed there, presumably to save money.

Like the Tsunami, my heart goes out to all those who have lost family, homes and treasured possessions in this devastation. I suspect even now we do not know the true extent of the loss.

PeterA

I apologise for starting this thread in a manner that maybe construed that aircraft are more important than human lives. That was and is not my intention. I have an Aunty over there who is now homeless. I feel severe sorrow and pity when I watch the TV and see the heart-rendering images.
My original intention of the post was pure curiosity only.


TNZ

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re: man on the fence / nick...... yes he worded his feelings wrong, but his heart was in the right place!! this yank appreciates his concerns for my countrymen. enough said on that. ***fyi***** for those of you like me who don't have alot of $$$$$$ you can still help. for example i sell camping / survival gear at my store. i donated $115.00 worth of these items such as tarps, citronella candles, bug spray, solar showers etc. i sent my box to the salvation army, they are staging parcels for delivery once the relief effort is well organized & they will send my box down then. granted my little box of stuff isn't going to help everybody down their, but it will help some. you don't own a store like me??? go hit your closet & box up the clothes your tired of, they'll be put to good use by the victims. also remember that even non monetary donations are tax deductable too. we all need to take that approach. all the best, tom

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I read that after the hurricane in Florida they burnt 5 acres of used clothing that had been donated and remained unused. Relief agencies say it is better to donate money that will go to vouchers so that the victims can buy the clothes they want so that they can retain their dignity. The problem isn't a lack of clothing, it is the lack of infrastructure. Once the infrastructure is stabilized they will be able to get new clothing in the stores just as quickly as they could get used clothing from a charity. Most used clothing donated to charities gets boxed up and shipped to Africa to be sold for pennies on the dollar anyhow. The charity then uses the pennies to fund their activities. People actually end up buying the used clothing you donate.

I also read that all the used clothing sent to the Tsunami victims has caused widespread hardship for retailers in the area now because there is an excess of nearly free clothing and nobody is buying.

See, you can learn a lot of useful stuff from TV and the Internet!

That was Pat Taylor of Taylor Energy (see mention in the Spit above). Pat passed away last year, but his wife and family have kept the local support of touring warbirds, veterans, and military as a focus. As for the aircraft collection, I am not sure, but I think they were being sold off. The Skyraider is in MO with Eric Downing now (I think), but I am not sure about the others

Ryan Keough

I liked Patrick Taylor.

I think Forbes magazine estimated his personal wealth at one time at .75 Billion $USD. When asked over dinner, by a friend of mine, if that was actually so, he replied they had underestimated. Money he said was like horsesh*t - "Leave it all in one place and it begins to stink. Spread it around a bit here and there and it can do wonders for growth.

My kind of man.

PeterA

first of all, at the time this post started the full impact of this storm was yet to be realized. This country gets hit by Hurricanes nearly every year and yes it is devastating but typically not nearly so much as Katrina was. It wasn't until the days following that the horrific impact of this storm was realized. To imply that people are uncaring is insulting and down right ignorant. There is not a person here that doesn't feel sympathy for the people in that area.

MOTF, I have watched very little TV in the last 2 weeks and was not aware of the scope of the storm or its damage. Am I heartless or uncaring because I didn't know about it? I am highly offended by your statement and the kneejerk reaction expressed in it.

There is so much more I want to say but in the interest of diplomacy I will shut up now.

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A force 4 Hurricane was heading directly for a low lying city with a lake on one side and the sea on the other with a 3m difference in height between the two. It was never going to be a picnic.

Scott, dont over react. My point is merely that I find it odd that people are concerned about a few preserved aircraft rather than even mention the effect it may have on millions of people. At no time have I made any personal attacks worth being offended about.



It took 15 posts before anyone commented about people yes people wo have lost everything! What am I supposed to think?

TurboNZ, No worries, one line expressing concern is all that was needed.

tom d friedman. Thats the spirit!!!

The company I work for is sending a team in this afternoon to help extract some folks who have been good friends. I think a lot of folks are still in shock as to what all has gone on. It will be quite a while before things are normal. It looks like a bunch of the displaced folks are headed our way here in TX, maybe even here in San Antonio. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9156612/ - this article said maybe 25,000! That's a lot of people. Pray for the survivors and those who have lost relatives as well as those of us who still don't know if our relatives and or friends are ok...

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MOTF, I appreciate your concern. I have lived through 3 hurricanes, 2 typhoons, 2 tornadoes and an earthquake. Katrina is the worst I have even seen. All I am saying is that maybe people should be given a break regarding there initial reaction to this tragedy. I doubt anybody thought it would be as bad as it is especially since hurricanes aren't that uncommon and every year the metorologist say every hurricane is going to be a nasty one and then they fizzle. At least in my case I had gotten used to hurricanes and was not in my wildest dreams anticipating this level of destruction. It took awhile to sink in. I viewed your initial post as heartless, condescending and cruel. However, I can understand how it looked from your perspective and you've always been a good guy so I will give you the benefit of the doubt.

Lets just agree that everybody cares about the people and let this unfortunate misunderstanding fade away.

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Good point,Scott. Up til just a few moments ago I had shyed away from this thread, and I am glad I did. I probably would have irked a few people with my thoughts
By the way, sorry it's off topic...but Tom mentioned boxing up old clothes and sending them to the disaster area. As Lieutenant in charge of public relations for my fire department, I have been in contact with the Red Cross and FEMA. Both say they do NOT want such donations. They say they appreciate everyone's desire to help, but such donations take away people from other jobs due to the items having to be cleaned, seperated and distributed. They would much rather have monetary donations.
Sorry....you can all get back too your 'discussion' now.

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Agreed Scott, we can discuss the finer points of this over a Beer sometime.