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Hi Guys

Please find hereunder the story behind what is happening with the Lincoln Bomber and Marks fantastic efforts to bring her Downunder.

Come on guys - put your backs into this one - he needs help and it's not a lot to ask to save this rare aircraft plus the LANC as well!!!

I have pledged $500.00 and even if you can't do that then band together and make it up. Mark has been behind the movement in Aus for many years and this is a straight up and down fund.


Regards
John P


Mark writes
"LINCOLN TO AUSTRALIA

I have been negotiating for the last 10 months for the for the purchase of the dis-assembled Avro Lincoln RF342, and remains of Cockpit etc of Avro Lancaster KB976/994 Ex-Sandhurst, and am now able to publically confirm an organisation exists, and project is underway to acquire those items and recover them to Australia for Static Display purposes.

I am the Chairman of the
Avro Bomber Preservation Association Incorporated
Australian Business Number 53 043 131 472

The existance of this organisation can be confirmed at www.abr.business.gov.au

Entering the ABN number above into the website above will confirm both the registration of this not for profit association as a "Charitable Institution", and the tax deductable Gift Recipient status has also been achieved. A copy of that website display is shown below.

I would ask all Australian Aviation Enthusiasts interested in supporting such an outcome to "cut & past" this information and email it to your friends etc so that anyone interested in supporting such an outcome can assist us in our urgent need to complete fundraising of our 1st installment of a non-refundable deposit.

Enquiries on how to assist via email to: Mark_Pilkington@hotmail.com

Regards

Mark Pilkington
AH 61 3 52821847

BH 61 3 9683 4913
Fax 61 3 9683 4178

Mobile 0418 174 957

Mark_Pilkington@hotmail.com



Last modified on: 01 Apr 2005 ABN:

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ABN Status: Active from 15 Dec 2004 Entity Name: AVRO BOMBER PRESERVATION ASSOCIATION INCORPORATED Entity Type: Other Incorporated Entity Main Business Location State: VIC Postcode: 3149 Trading Name(s)

AVRO BOMBER PRESERVATION ASSOCIATION INCORPORATED
Other Registrations GST Status: Not currently registered for GST Tax Concession Status: AVRO BOMBER PRESERVATION ASSOCIATION INCORPORATED, a Charitable Institution, is endorsed to access the following tax concessions:

Tax Concession From
GST Concession 01 Jul 2005
FBT Rebate 01 Jul 2005
Income Tax Exemption 01 Apr 2005


Deductible Gift Recipient: AVRO BOMBER PRESERVATION ASSOCIATION INCORPORATED is endorsed as a Deductible Gift Recipient from 01 Apr 2005.


Important: Please read Deductible gift recipient (DGR) information before making a gift.


PURPOSE

To promote the role of the Avro Lancaster and Avro Lincoln in Australia’s Aviation Heritage.

To preserve and educate on Australian’s involvement with the Avro Lancaster in RAF Bomber Command in Europe in World War 2, and Australian’s involvement in the construction and operation of the Avro Lincoln in Australasia post World War 2.

To raise funds for, and to support the collection and restoration of parts and artefacts of the Avro Lancaster and Avro Lincoln Bomber aircraft for eventual display in a recognised National Aviation Museum.

To specifically support the acquisition, donation and display of:
An Avro Lancaster Cockpit and fuselage
An Avro Lincoln Aircraft"

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Air Vice Marshall
Sunshine State Air Farce

Hi again !!!

US and Brits are welcome too I was just asking the locals to help so come on all you rich Yanks and Poms (Swap you the ashes for the Lincoln!!) Pitch in and help - this is not a big ask

Regards
John P

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Air Vice Marshall
Sunshine State Air Farce

No swapping of the Ashes. If they good enough they can win them but I don't think they're going easily

Great news on the Lincoln for us Aussies

Thankyou all for your support and wishes of luck,
but I have used up my need for "luck" getting it this far.

What I really need at the moment is cheques, or cash to
reach my target fundraising, including first non-refundable deposit
by end of September 2005.

All assistance is greatly appreciated, but this will not happen if
everyone doesnt help me raise the funds, this outcome isnt just for
my benefit alone, its to replace something we didnt keep, and this
will be our only chance to fix that mistake?

We are a registered Charitable Institution, that has studied and
approached this project in a slow and considered manner for the last
10 months, we have already raised funds without going public, but
always intended this to reply on fellow enthusiast support.

Please cut and paste details this to friends etc, we are urgently
seeking funding support, ideally through @30 to 100 people donating
between $50 to $500 dollars to cover our substantial holding
deposit, we already have an existing amount raised, but we now have
a short time to secure the option to purchase through a non-
refundable deposit, we will then move into a longer term fundraising
where $2-$10 amounts will be sought from the General Public etc, but
this is an urgent call to Australia's Aviation Enthusiasts to really
pull together for a good cause!

The B-24 proves it can be done, and where else at any time in the
future will an Avro Lincoln be available?

The objective is to see a static restored Avro Lincoln exist in Australia,
and there is a significant portion of authentic Lancaster/cockpit fuselage coming along for the ride,
which is intended for preservation and display as well.

Both are earmarked for donation to bonefide Museums.


postal address for donations:

Avro Bomber Preservation Association Inc
PO Box 176
LARA 3212
Victoria AUSTRALIA

Please provide details of name and address for donation receipting.

A website will "go live" later this weekend.

This is a serious/planned project, not just "hype'


enquiries to assist/donate via email to mark_pilkington@hotmail.com


or by phone to myself

AH 61 3 5282 1847

regards

Mark P

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20th Century - The Age of Manned Flight
"from Wrights to Armstrong in 66 years -WOW!"

AVRO LINCOLN TO AUSTRALIA

A website and Message Board has now been created for this project.

WEBSITE
http://aarg.com.au/Avro_group.htm

MESSAGE BOARD
http://groups.msn.com/AvroBomberPreservationAssociation/_whatsnew.msnw


regards

Mark P

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20th Century - The Age of Manned Flight
"from Wrights to Armstrong in 66 years -WOW!"

Mark,
This is really exciting news. I have waited a long time to see this Lincoln looked after properly, and can think of no better place to have her than Australia. Being an ex-pat Brit living in the States, I must admit to some dismay at seeing various groups push and pull her around to re-create a Lancaster.... I love Lancasters, but it seems a crime to waste an even rarer Lincoln to have a quick fix for a Lanc project. Australia deserves a Lincoln too.

In any event, I highly commend your efforts, and would like to contribute, but there needs to be a way for non-Aussies to do so without all the difficulties of currency exchange (sending international money orders costs a fair percentage of the small donations that you might otherwise receive). I strongly suggest that you set up a "Pay Pal" donation method. It's very straight forward to do, and many, if not most of the people who would like to donate already have accounts (due to e-bay madness ).

I would also suggest that people who donate would like to know more about your plan: what infrastructure you have for the restoration, the level of funding needed, time-line etc. I realize it might not be possible to openly publish all of this at present due to other potentially interested parties squashing the deal, but some more information would be helpful. It would also be nice to know what, if anything, you plan to do for those who donate their funds? Most organizations doing this sort of thing usually have a regular news letter and other items for contributors. You can't do this immediately of course, as you have very little time to get through the first hurdle of the deposit. However, since you have been working on this for ten months, I would have thought you'd have a plan of action for this, and it would be nice to hear what it is.... you would have much more response from potential donors; of that I am sure!

Anyway, keep us posted, and please get a pay pal account set up so we can help right away (it's a very simple process, and would take you less than an hour to do). All the best, and much luck with your project, it is a very worthy one indeed!

Cheers,
Richard

Richard,

thankyou for your thoughtful and interesting contribution, we do have a plan for most issues, but you are correct to note we are not wanting to put all of that in the public domain at this stage.

Our group is primarily a fundraising and acquisition entity, we do not intend to provide the manpower for restoration and display, nor does this group intend to establish its own new museum.

Two existing museums are intended to be the recipients of these parts, the Association will continue to fundraise etc to support the further acquisition of parts etc, further details regarding those plans will be forthcoming later.

But at this stage I can confirm our Association has been receiving support form the Australian National Aviation Museum at Moorabbin and if we are successful our intentions are the Lincoln will be offered to that organisation for restoration and static display, our objective being to provide ongoing support to gather parts/funding to achieve a complete static restoration.

This Museum was chosen given its focus on preserving Australia's aviation manufacturing heritage and existing collection policy, and collection of DAP/GAF aircraft suits the Lincoln addition, and arrangements between both parties have been explored.

WEBSITE
http://aarg.com.au/Avro_group.htm


We have the objective of the Lancaster cockpit and fuselage forming an interesting fuslage display, but at this stage are not committing to a full Lancaster static outcome as two already exist in the National Collection in Australia, it is our intention that the Lancaster parts will be offered for preservation and display at Point Cook.

I am very interested in your suggestions for overseas donation and agree paypal is an excellent process, and will investigate that over the next day.

We will establish newletter processes, as you will note an MSN Group which allows for broadcast emails etc is already set up.


MESSAGE BOARD
http://groups.msn.com/AvroBomberPreserv ... tsnew.msnw


However our primary focus at the moment has to be achieving our target fundraising level for end of September, and until that is met details of some of the terms and conditions of our purschase offer are considered commercial in confidence due to competing offers and intentions.

regards

Mark Pilkington

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20th Century - The Age of Manned Flight
"from Wrights to Armstrong in 66 years -WOW!"

Good job guys!

Can I get some pictures of the Lancaster?
What remains of it?

--My browser/filter doesn't seem to like your discussion board.

Thanks Mark for the extra details, and think you've made a very good choice with the museum you intend to offer it to. Will you be trying to incorporate the GAF-built cockpit section into the airframe, as I seem to recollect the fuselage is currently "beheaded"?

As soon as you get the paypal account set up, let me know. I'll be sending you a donation. I wish you the very best of luck!

Cheers,
Richard

The Lancaster consists of the stripped cockpit structure of KB994 -the centre section of KB994 sawn off either side of the fuselage and the rear
section of KB976 from the rear of the wing to the join in front of the crew door.

DETAILS OF LINCOLN SERVICE IN THE RAAF

As per the RAAF Museum website entry:A73 - GAF Lincoln

http://www.raafmuseum.com.au/raaf2/html/linc.htm

The Avro Lincoln was a long-range, high altitude version of the successful Avro Lancaster four-engined bomber. The first RAF Lincoln BI flew on June 9, 1944, and operational squadrons were preparing to join Tiger force in the war against Japan, when V-J Day was declared. Although the Lincoln did not take part in World War II, one Lincoln (RF345) was shot down by Russian MIG-15 jet fighters while on a training flight near East Germany in 1957. RAF Lincolns also operated against the terrorists in Malaya and the Mau-Mau in Kenya. Lincolns were phased out of service in the late 1950s, and were the last piston-engined bombers of the RAF.
In 1943 plans were under way in Australia for the Beaufort Division of DAP to build the Lancaster Mk III. On May 11 1943, Lancaster "Q" for "Queenie" (A66-1, ex ED930) arrived in Australia as a pattern aircraft but, in the event, the Lancaster Mk IV (or GAF Lincoln B Mk 30 as it became known) was built because of the long-range requirements in the Pacific area. Orders were placed for 85 Lincolns, but only 73 were built. The first five Lincolns, A73-1/5, were constructed from British supplied components and A73-1 made its first flight on March 17 1946. The first Australian built Lincoln, A73-6 was delivered in November 1946. The Lincolns were phased into No 82 Bomber Wing at RAAF Amberley to replace the Liberators of Nos 12, 21 and 23 Sqns. In February 1948, these units were renumbered Nos 1, 2 and 6 Sqns. respectively, and a fourth Lincoln squadron came into being when No 10 Sqn re-formed on March 17 1949 at RAAF Townsville as a general reconnaissance element. The Lincoln B30 originally had four Merlin 85 engines, but was later equipped with a combination of two Merlin 66s in the outboard positions and two inboard Merlin 85s. Eventually, four Merlin 102s were installed and this version became the GAF Lincoln B Mk 30A.

In 1949, 14 Lincolns, A73-31/34, 36/37, 38 (prototype) 39/40 and 42/46 were modified as long range navigation (LRN) aircraft for special duties. The modifications included the fitment of radio/radar equipment instrumentation, and an extra crew station aft of the mid-upper turret. Another major modification occurred when A73-48 became the prototype for the so-called "long-nose Lincoln". A 6ft 6in extension to the forward fuselage was inserted between the cockpit and the front turret to house radar equipment and operators for No 10 Sqn's maritime reconnaissance commitments. This version became the GAF Lincoln MR31, and although 19 other "long-nose Lincolns" were produced (A73-28, 55/57, 59/73) only 10 were equipped fully for the MR role: A73-28, 55, 57, 60/62, 65/68. The last Lincoln A73-73 was delivered from GAF on September 23 1953.

Other revamped Lincolns included the two VIP transports, A73-14 and 18, with fuselage windows and seats, and A73-15 the Air Navigational School's long range trainer with faired-in gun turrets. Lincolns used on special tasks included A73-2, Wg Cdr D.R. Cuming's 'NYHUAN" (Pathfinder) which surveyed the Woomera range site and carried out flights far into the Antarctic: A73-34 which Wg Cdr G.H. Shields flew with Cosmic ray recording equipment for scientific purposes during the International Geophysical Year; and A73-29, the experimental rain-making Lincoln flown by Sqn Ldr N. Nichol, who also flew an Australian Lincoln to the UK for service with the RAF in exchange for a Lincoln B2 which operated with No 82 Wing.

At least nine different RAF Lincolns operated with the RAAF in various armament and engine trials, including the Python/Merlin engined Lincoln, RF403, which carried out high altitude bombing trials at Woomera and was scrapped at RAAF Tocumwal in 1958.

Most Lincoln B30/30As operated at one time or another with No 1 Sqn in Malaya. This squadron arrived in Singapore on July 17 1950, and remained eight years, during which time over 3,000 sorties were carried out against the Communist terrorists. By the late 1950s the Canberra jet bomber had replaced the Lincoln B30/30As, although No 10 Sqn continued to operate Lincoln MR31s until the last flight was made by A73-65 in June 1961.

In fifteen years, from 1946 to 1961, 11 Lincolns were written off in accidents (A73-11, 16, 31, 35, 39, 40, 44, 46, 51, 63 and 69) but the remainder gave good service and were eventually sold as scrap or used for fire-fighting practice. As the largest aircraft to be built in Australia, the Lincoln goes down in history as a credit to the local aircraft industry, and it also marked the passing in RAAF annals of the era of the multi-engined, heavy bomber, with its large complement of aircrew members.

TECHNICAL DATA:
(GAF Avro Lincoln B.30)

DESCRIPTION: Long-range bomber with 7 crew. All metal, stressed-skin construction.

POWER PLANT: Four 1750 hp Rolls Royce Merlin 85's.

DIMENSIONS: Span, 120 ft; length, 78 ft 31/2 in; height 17 ft. 31/2 in.

WEIGHTS: Empty, 43,400 lb; loaded, 75,000 lb.

PERFORMANCE: Max speed, 305 mph at 19,000 ft. Cruising speed, 215 mph. Climb, 800 ft/min. Range, 1470 miles with max. bomb load and 2930 miles with max. fuel. Service ceiling 30,500 ft.

ARMAMENT: Twin 0.50 guns in each of nose and tail turrets. Twin 20 mm guns in dorsal turret. Max. bomb load 14,000 lb.


regards

Mark P

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20th Century - The Age of Manned Flight
"from Wrights to Armstrong in 66 years -WOW!"

with many thanks WIX and respect to CWD for proving this forum for us to promote our project,

The Avro Bomber Preservation Association is pleased to announce an Australian aviation magazine has become a sponsor of our project and fundraising efforts..........

http://groups.msn.com/AvroBomberPreservationAssociation/_whatsnew.msnw

regards

Mark Pilkington
Chairman

GET ON BOARD WITH FLIGHTPATH TO BRING A LINCOLN TO AUSTRALIA

Flightpath and Rob Fox Photography are proud to be aboard the ambitious attempt to bring to Australia, not one but two illustrious Avro bombers.

“We are honoured to be invited to support The Avro Bomber Preservation Association Incorporated, to acquire an Avro Lincoln and the Lancaster remains from the UK” enthused Rob Fox.

The Australian aviation magazine Flightpath is dedicated to living history and Editor Rob Fox leads an impressive and diverse team of aviation writers and photographers which focuses on Australasia’s rich aviation heritage.

“We see these important aircraft filling a void in the nation’s aviation collections.

The concept to bring them here fits seamlessly with Flightpath’s philosophy and values of preserving and displaying our rich aviation history, for all to see”. Flightpath’s in-depth features, historical accounts, contemporary opinion, and technicalities give life and background to the region’s burgeoning aircraft restoration movement. “We cannot see a more beneficial role for both organisations to play in regard to these celebrated aircraft types.

Now is the time for our readers, enthusiasts and former crews to put their hand up to assist this great cause and join with me and FLIGHTPATH to be involved as a financial sponsor and supporter”. Rob Fox Editor

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20th Century - The Age of Manned Flight
"from Wrights to Armstrong in 66 years -WOW!"

Mark,

You've got me for $500. Can I send it electronically somehow or drop it into the museum at MB? Not keen on cheques ... OK, so I can't find my cheque book.


Walrus

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One crowded hour of glorious life
Is worth an age without a name

Walrus

here is your details for lodging the $500.

OUR FUNDRAISING:

We have raised and held for over 10 months an initial fund of over $10,000 AUD, however competition from other bidders and delays in our own project have caused us to restructure our proposal without increasing the total price.

We are therefore urgently fundraising to complete our 1st instalment of the non-refundable holding deposit, and are trying to raise a further $15,000 AUD by the end of September, we already hold more than that in our existing fundraising, we are seeking significant cash/cheque and EFT donations in the order of $100 to $500 to complete this fundraising by the target date to avoid our option expiring. (30 donors of $500 meets our current target!)

If we do not raise this money by the end of September and transfer it to the UK we will loose our option to buy and the aircraft will return for sale to others already bidding.

If we do not gain sufficient support in this fundraising drive to be confidently able to proceed to full purchase we will not proceed and return all moneys to the donors.

If we do proceed we will as a registered charitable institution issue receipts to all donors and continue with ongoing fundraising towards our second instalment and 12 month progressive payments.

Future fundraising will open up to lower donations below $50, and pledge payments based on $1/day arrangements.

We would welcome anyone collecting monies on our behalf and ask that they use the attached form to record the names, addresses and details of donation amount and forward these records and payment to us urgently by any means available.

The simplest method of lodging a donation to us, is to make an over the counter or online EFT transfer direct into our Bank Account.

Over the counter bank deposits of cash, cheque or money order is available to any person by simply entering any Westpac branch and completing and lodging a standard manual deposit slip, please remember to identify any donations with your name and provide an email or postal copy of your records of transaction so we can return unspent monies, or provide a tax certified receipt of donation!

Westpac Branches are normally open until 4.30 – 5pm weekdays and many are open until 12 midday on Saturday, please take the opportunity to make a donation this coming Saturday morning 24th of September before we loose this wonderful opportunity.

Please call or email if you propose an alternative payment method such as Paypal?

regards

Mark Pilkington
Chairman AH 61 3 - 52821847
Mobile 0418 174 957

DONATION METHODS

Cash/Cheque/Money Order Donation within Australia

Donation by mail of Cheque or money Order,
Please post by last mail on Thursday 22st of September to provide time for delivery and cheque clearing of funds into the Association Account.
with details of your name and address for tax receipt

OUR POSTAL ADDRESS FOR DONATIONS:

Avro Bomber Preservation Association Inc
PO Box 176
LARA 3212
Victoria AUSTRALIA
Please provide details of name and address for donation receipting.

Over the counter at ANY Westpac Branch
Donation of Cheque/ money order or Cash by Account Deposit

Anyone can complete a normal Westpac Deposit form and lodge over the counter in any Westpac Branch, complete the deposit name details as well as filling your name and address and amount deposited on the Deposit Slip Butt, and when stamped on deposit, please mail the deposit butt stub to our postal address to allow us to match deposits in the statement to your donation for receipting purposes. See account details below!

EFT or Bank Transfer Donation within Australia/Overseas

Electronic Funds Transfer by online banking "Pay Anyone",&“other bank “over the counter

For EFT Please cut and paste copy of online transaction receipt into an email to: avro_bomber_assn@hotmail.com

For Other Bank over the counter, please request Bank transaction statement and post to our PO Box 176 in Lara 3212 Victoria Australia.

OUR BANK ACCOUNT DETAILS

BANK:
WESTPAC BANKING CORPORATION
360 COLLINS STREET
MELBOURNE 3001 Victoria AUSTRALIA

ACCOUNT NAME:
AVRO BOMBER PRESERVATION ASSOCIATION

BANKING NUMBERS:
BSB NUMBER : 033065
ACCOUNT NUMBER: 25 5339 50





We are also pleased to announce the Friends of the RAAF Museum are now publicly supporting this project


OUR SUPPORTERS:


Friends of the RAAF Museum (FORM)

"The Friends of the RAAF Museum endorse the efforts of the Avro Bomber Preservation Association Inc to acquire the major Lincoln and Lancaster aircraft components. Both aircraft types represent significant chapters in the Nation's past and will help future generations of Australians to appreciate the rich aviation heritage that we all share."

John Matthews
President
Friends of the RAAF Museum”

Australian Aircraft Restoration Group
Australian National Aviation Museum (Moorabbin Air Museum)

The Australian National Aviation Museum is pleased to support the efforts of the Avro Bomber Preservation Association in its project to acquire and bring to Australia from the UK one of 4 remaining Avro Lincoln Bombers RF 342, and the cockpit and other parts of a rare WW2 Avro Lancaster Bomber KB976.
http://aarg.com.au/AVRO_GROUP.htm


Flightpath and Rob Fox Photography

“We are honoured to be invited to support The Avro Bomber Preservation Association Incorporated, to acquire an Avro Lincoln and the Lancaster remains from the UK”

“We see these important aircraft filling a void in the nation’s aviation collections. The concept to bring them here fits seamlessly with Flightpath’s philosophy and values of preserving and displaying our rich aviation history, for all to see……Now is the time for our readers, enthusiasts and former crews to put their hand up to assist this great cause and join with me and FLIGHTPATH to be involved as a financial sponsor and supporter”. Rob Fox Editor


Please cease posting in this thread and now post in the new "Donations" thread on this project at

http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4990

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"from Wrights to Armstrong in 66 years -WOW!"

CORRECTION TO OUR BANK ACCOUNT NUMBER!!!


Please note the typo correction to our Bank Account Number and pass on to others


OUR BANK ACCOUNT DETAILS

BANK:
WESTPAC BANKING CORPORATION
360 COLLINS STREET
MELBOURNE 3001 Victoria AUSTRALIA

ACCOUNT NAME:
AVRO BOMBER PRESERVATION ASSOCIATION

BANKING NUMBERS:
BSB NUMBER : 033065
***>>>>> ACCOUNT NUMBER: 25 5339


NOT 25 5339 ("50")


Regards

Mark Pilkington
Chairman

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20th Century - The Age of Manned Flight
"from Wrights to Armstrong in 66 years -WOW!"