From a C-47 crash site. Someone can help us?

salerno1943 · **Posted:** Wed Jul 27, 2011 10:43 am

CoastieJohn wrote:

Pic 4 - It's hard to tell the size. With the 4 slots, it looks like an end cap to some hollow tubing??? Or.......some of the helos I worked on have a cap or nut like that and it takes a special spanner wrench to install or take off. Both of those are guesses.

Pic 17 - Again...hard to tell the size. Kinda looks like scraper or flat file with the wood handle rotted off.

Pic 30 - The two little round items on the left side that have the red and blue(?) bands look like some type of electronic/electrical part...maybe a resister?

Thanks. Do you have photos of these parts you think? Pic 4 have a diameter of about 10 centimeter. I think is a part of a wheel.

Pic 17 I also belive is a scraper used from people that cut aircraft and take it away to sell alluminium....

CoastieJohn · **Joined:** Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:37 pm **Posts:** 1380

salerno1943 wrote:

CoastieJohn wrote:

Pic 4 - It's hard to tell the size. With the 4 slots, it looks like an end cap to some hollow tubing??? Or.......some of the helos I worked on have a cap or nut like that and it takes a special spanner wrench to install or take off. Both of those are guesses.

Pic 17 - Again...hard to tell the size. Kinda looks like scraper or flat file with the wood handle rotted off.

Pic 30 - The two little round items on the left side that have the red and blue(?) bands look like some type of electronic/electrical part...maybe a resister?

Thanks. Do you have photos of these parts you think? Pic 4 have a diameter of about 10 centimeter. I think is a part of a wheel.

Pic 17 I also belive is a scraper used from people that cut aircraft and take it away to sell alluminium....

No I don't have any pics. If you say Pic 4 is approx 10 cm and possibly part of a wheel....could it be a wheel bearing cap? Anyone????

salerno1943 · **Posted:** Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:01 am

Tomorrow we will return on crash site. If someone want help us...............

salerno1943 · **Posted:** Fri Aug 05, 2011 12:54 pm

This are just 3 of many fragments find today after hard work. Some idea?

Appear to read OR....

salerno1943 · **Posted:** Sat Aug 06, 2011 11:35 am

I have understand that bronze eagle head is part of a sword

This is from USA civil war

In past were common

Here is a good description

[url=http://]http://contemporarymakers.blogspot.com/2010/09/weapons-and-equipment-of-early-american.html[/url]

salerno1943 · **Posted:** Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:03 am

Here are some other object from this crash site. Some idea?

1 Unknown part

1a

2 Unknown parts

3 Spoon, hair cutter,

4 Black fibers, whithe glass fuse from flames

5 Buttons

6 Buttons

7 Unknown parts

8 Small fragments

9 Razor, part of parachute, glasses

10 Buttons army coat

11 Small parts

12 Unknown object

13 Unknown object

14 Label. Someone can read it?

RAMC181 · **Posted:** Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:30 pm

Photos 1 and 1a are of a fire extinguisher holder, which has been folded in half.

All the best,
PB

Pathfinder · **Joined:** Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:35 pm **Posts:** 587

Photo 3 shows a spoon; the business end of a hair clipper; and a parachute snap hook.

Edit: I have withdrawn my comment about the snap hook NOT being from parachute gear. Does in fact match parts on QAC and seat pack rigs.

salerno1943 · **Posted:** Sat Aug 20, 2011 4:57 am

RAMC181 wrote:

Photos 1 and 1a are of a fire extinguisher holder, which has been folded in half.

All the best,
PB

Thanks. It is this:

salerno1943 · **Posted:** Sat Aug 20, 2011 6:10 am

Here are other objects frind yesterday with help of Pierpaolo, Francesco, Angelo e Gianluca.

15 Field-bed part, interruptors.

16 Unknown

17 Unknown.

18 Unknown

19 rear 78707111

20

21 Buttons

22

23 Sun glass fragment, electronic parts

24 MICAMOLD

25

26 Rank insigna lt? Part of cleaner kit M1

27 Buttons uniform. The biggest fragment is rank insigna berrett?

28 Plate
SIGNAL CORPS U.S. ARMY
MODULATOR UNIT BC-456-B
SERIAL NO. 38443
MADE BY
Western Electric
NEW YORK N.Y.

29 ONE CENT

30

31 Textile + plastic buttons

Pathfinder · **Joined:** Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:35 pm **Posts:** 587

Reference photo for the data plate BC-456B (upper left unit in photo) part of SCR-274N.

The SCR-274N is multichannel HF aircraft radio receiving and transmitting equipment.

Also notice several sliding "clip attachments" as appear in your photos.

(The unit shown is actually a -E, but essentially the same as a -B)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... 74_ACC.jpg

51fixer · **Posted:** Sat Aug 20, 2011 12:54 pm

Black fibers in #4 appear to be from a molded rubber product, either tires or rubber fuel/oil cells.

Very sobering reminders of the human costs of war.

AURktman · **Posted:** Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:56 am

Here is some information that a friend of mine was able to pull from IRIS (electronic database for the Historical Research Center) regarding the unit. I am posting it in raw forms as I am not familiar with the information and I hope it can be of use.

This is a search for the 904th Air Base Sec. Bn.

Main: HEADQUARTERS COMMAND, UNITED STATES AIR FORCES IN
RECTYPE: Call: 570.0711 PT 1
IRIS Number: 240671
BegDate: EndDate: PubDate: 03-01-1948 Author: UNIT/0032/STATISTICAL CONTROL SQUADRON/0089/STATION COMPLEMENT BAND/0686/AIR FORCE GROUP/0924/ENGINEER (AVIATION) COMPANY/0979/MILITARY POLICE (AVIATION) ORGANIZATION/0001/AIR INTELLIGENCE SERVICE SECTION/0015/RADIO SECURITY 0018 BASE POST OFFICE SQUADRON/0021/MOTOR TRANSPORT SQUADRON/0022/MOTOR TRANSPORT SQUADRON/0025/COMMUNICATIONS, AIR FORCE DETACHMENT/0031/MILITARY POLICE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION AIR CHEMICAL CENTER CENTER/0207/LABOR SUPERVISION HOSPITAL/0317/STATION GROUP/0501/AIR SERVICE SQUADRON/0743/AIR MATERIEL SQUADRON/0919/AIR ENGINEERING DETACHMENT/0702/COUNTERINTELLIGENCE CORPS COMPANY/0926/SIGNAL OUTPOST OPERATIONS COMPANY/2005/LABOR SUPERVISION COMPANY/2016/LABOR SUPERVISION COMPANY/2018/LABOR SUPERVISION COMPANY/2028/LABOR SUPERVISION COMPANY/2023/LABOR SUPERVISION GROUP/7739/AIR FORCE CASUAL PROCESSING
Title:
Title Extension: PART I OF II
Title Added Entries: HISTORY OF WIESBADEN MILITARY POST (GERMANY) AND ALL UNITS ASSIGNED
Class: UNCLASSIFIED LNFT: 0 AudioRec: NumPages: 0 MajCom:
Subject:
Abstract: INCLUDES HISTORICAL REPORTS OF SPECIAL STAFF AND STAFF SECTIONS AND SUBORDINATE UNITS; STATION LIST; ORDERS; PHOTOGRAPHS; AND COMMUNITY NEWSPAPER, WIESBADEN POST. INCLUDES HISTORIES OF LETTERED SQUADRONS AND COMPANY C, 831 ENGINEER AVIATION BATTALION. COMMANDED BY BRIG GEN JOSEPH SMITH. NARRATIVE CONSISTS PRIMARILY OF CLIPPINGS FROM WIESBADEN POST CONCERNING: SAFETY MONTH, DISPLACED PERSONS, 1 CONSTABULARY BRIGADE, BLACK MARKET, AND SCREENING OF CIVILIAN JOB APPLICANTS.
DateRcvd: AddDate: 01-27-2010 IRISRef: C5063
Admin: No Administrative Markings Listed
SecInfo:
DNotes: DOCUMENT AVAILABLE IN ELECTRONIC FORM VIA UNCLASSIFIED NETWORK.
AccNotes: OldAcc: AccsnrID: DateAccs: Reel: 8194 Frame: 4 FrameLast: 558
DateScnd: DateMflm: ScanrID: IndexID: 35 QCID: 69
Main: HEADQUARTERS COMMAND, UNITED STATES AIR FORCES IN
RECTYPE: Call: 570.0711 PT 1
IRIS Number: 240671
BegDate: EndDate: PubDate: 03-01-1948 Author: UNIT/0032/STATISTICAL CONTROL SQUADRON/0089/STATION COMPLEMENT BAND/0686/AIR FORCE GROUP/0924/ENGINEER (AVIATION) COMPANY/0979/MILITARY POLICE (AVIATION) ORGANIZATION/0001/AIR INTELLIGENCE SERVICE SECTION/0015/RADIO SECURITY 0018 BASE POST OFFICE SQUADRON/0021/MOTOR TRANSPORT SQUADRON/0022/MOTOR TRANSPORT SQUADRON/0025/COMMUNICATIONS, AIR FORCE DETACHMENT/0031/MILITARY POLICE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION AIR CHEMICAL CENTER CENTER/0207/LABOR SUPERVISION HOSPITAL/0317/STATION GROUP/0501/AIR SERVICE SQUADRON/0743/AIR MATERIEL SQUADRON/0919/AIR ENGINEERING DETACHMENT/0702/COUNTERINTELLIGENCE CORPS COMPANY/0926/SIGNAL OUTPOST OPERATIONS COMPANY/2005/LABOR SUPERVISION COMPANY/2016/LABOR SUPERVISION COMPANY/2018/LABOR SUPERVISION COMPANY/2028/LABOR SUPERVISION COMPANY/2023/LABOR SUPERVISION GROUP/7739/AIR FORCE CASUAL PROCESSING
Title:
Title Extension: PART I OF II
Title Added Entries: HISTORY OF WIESBADEN MILITARY POST (GERMANY) AND ALL UNITS ASSIGNED
Class: UNCLASSIFIED LNFT: 0 AudioRec: NumPages: 0 MajCom:
Subject:
Abstract: INCLUDES HISTORICAL REPORTS OF SPECIAL STAFF AND STAFF SECTIONS AND SUBORDINATE UNITS; STATION LIST; ORDERS; PHOTOGRAPHS; AND COMMUNITY NEWSPAPER, WIESBADEN POST. INCLUDES HISTORIES OF LETTERED SQUADRONS AND COMPANY C, 831 ENGINEER AVIATION BATTALION. COMMANDED BY BRIG GEN JOSEPH SMITH. NARRATIVE CONSISTS PRIMARILY OF CLIPPINGS FROM WIESBADEN POST CONCERNING: SAFETY MONTH, DISPLACED PERSONS, 1 CONSTABULARY BRIGADE, BLACK MARKET, AND SCREENING OF CIVILIAN JOB APPLICANTS.
DateRcvd: AddDate: 01-27-2010 IRISRef: C5063
Admin: No Administrative Markings Listed
SecInfo:
DNotes: DOCUMENT AVAILABLE IN ELECTRONIC FORM VIA UNCLASSIFIED NETWORK.
AccNotes: OldAcc: AccsnrID: DateAccs: Reel: 8194 Frame: 4 FrameLast: 558
DateScnd: DateMflm: ScanrID: IndexID: 35 QCID: 69
Main: 0009 AIR DEFENSE COMMAND
RECTYPE: Periodic History Call: 539.01 COP. 1
IRIS Number: 239351
BegDate: 08-01-1945 EndDate: 08-31-1945 PubDate: Author:
Title:
Title Extension:
Title Added Entries:
Class: UNCLASSIFIED LNFT: 0 AudioRec: NumPages: 0 MajCom:
Subject:
Abstract: CONTAINS DATA ON THE REDEPLOYMENT OF PERSONNEL TO FILL VACANCIES OF PERSONNEL TRANSFERRED TO UNITS IN THE UNITED STATES. MENTIONS SECURITY OF AIR BASES IN GERMANY, EDUCATIONAL SERVICES FOR THE TROOPS, AND SPECIAL SERVICES ACTIVITIES. INCLUDES DIARIES, ACTIVITY JOURNALS, ORDERS, AND MEMORANDUMS.
DateRcvd: AddDate: 01-21-2010 IRISRef: B5967
Admin: No Administrative Markings Listed
SecInfo:
DNotes: INCLUDES SUPPORTING DOCUMENTS. DOCUMENT AVAILABLE IN ELECTRONIC FORM VIA UNCLASSIFIED NETWORK.
AccNotes: OldAcc: 2-2519-3 AccsnrID: DateAccs: Reel: 8098 Frame: 1153 FrameLast: 1342
DateScnd: DateMflm: ScanrID: IndexID: 20 QCID: 69

I can only hope that this give more information to the historical gurus to better enable their search.

Eldon

salerno1943 · **Posted:** Tue Aug 23, 2011 1:52 am

Thank Eldon but I'm unable to understand your informations. Someone can help me? I'm not fluent in american language, especially in military language!

Pathfinder · **Joined:** Tue Nov 10, 2009 7:35 pm **Posts:** 587

Unfortunately the IRIS citation above does not have any reference to the 904th Air Base Security Bn. As with most unbracketed searches it has the numbers 9,0 and 4 and the words Air and Base and Sec and Bn which likely led to this page.

I did a search in the USAF Historical Branch Index and found reference to the 904th for the war years (the above is 1948), but the date specific for the loss of the subject aircraft is NOT in the indexed files.

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