P-51D Miss America lands gear-up

[WIXMOD-Alpha]

CAPFlyer is right, and the thread title has also been edited (minor) to reflect the aircraft involved accurately.

[Trey Carroll]

With the way the inner gear doors were kinda crunched up, does that suggest a sequencing issue with the gear going up/down?

TC

[hstandard4]

Video has been removed

[Warbirdnerd]

The words "minor damage" are always open to interpretation

Hey Jack, which Mustang is this?
Thank you

[steve dickey]

This one, happened in Florida a couple years ago. Flying now I believe.

http://www.warbirdregistry.org/p51regis ... 11391.html

[JohnB]

I'm sorry guys, but "Minor" damage isn't open to interpretation. Both the FAA and NTSB have pretty clear guidelines on how damage is classified.

Ideally, by the book... but I've seen aircraft where the FAA tells me one thing and my own eyes tell me something else.
Even with the guidelines, individual FAA guys interpret them differently.

Likewise, I've heard of wrecks that should have been listed as destroyed, but a friendly FAA guy does the owner a favor and calls it substancial damage so it can legally be rebuilt.

And don't forget the occasional accident summary that produces a statement like the T-6 incident caused by a nose gear collapse.
In other words, the Feds aren't infallible.

[CAPFlyer]

They aren't infallable, but my point was that "minor" is basically anything not "substantial" or "destroyed", the two levels of damage that the FAA defines. Which means that it could describe a lot of accidents that ended up with the airplane being written off or being way too expensive to repair since none of the definition has anything to do with cost to repair or even how much of the plane was damaged beyond those very specific items in the definitions.

[mustanglover]

I'm sorry guys, but "Minor" damage isn't open to interpretation. Both the FAA and NTSB have pretty clear guidelines on how damage is classified.

Ideally, by the book... but I've seen aircraft where the FAA tells me one thing and my own eyes tell me something else.
Even with the guidelines, individual FAA guys interpret them differently.

Likewise, I've heard of wrecks that should have been listed as destroyed, but a friendly FAA guy does the owner a favor and calls it substancial damage so it can legally be rebuilt.

And don't forget the occasional accident summary that produces a statement like the T-6 incident caused by a nose gear collapse.
In other words, the Feds aren't infallible.

Along those lines, something to remember is that the FAA does not go out to every incident for an investigation. Sometimes it is just called in and reported and by the time it gets to the little lady in the corner (who does not know a Cessna 172 from a Cessna 172RG) typing the information into the data base........the information can get pretty messed up.

[John Dupre]

Hope the image comes out. If this is the image of the green Mustang in the midst of a gear up landing I want some context. Where, when, identification? Was this deliberate due to some system failure or pilot error?

[Speedy]

Hope the image comes out. If this is the image of the green Mustang in the midst of a gear up landing I want some context. Where, when, identification? Was this deliberate due to some system failure or pilot error?

7 June 2003: A North American P-51D Mustang, N6306T (Serial No. 44-74878), made a gear-up landing at the Quad Cities Air Show in Davenport, Iowa, USA. The aircraft skidded off the side of the runway, and owner/pilot Tom Wood of Indianapolis, Indiana, was uninjured. The aircraft appeared to have suffered only minor damage.

[airtj]

Mustang experts
Do mustangs have a gear warning horn or does a horn go off when a low manifold pressure is reached?

[gamary]

I'm not a Mustang pilot (unfortunately ) but the manual indicates that there is a horn ringing whenever the throttle is retarded. This can be stopped and is reset when the throttle is advanced again.

I assume this system still exists on modern Mustangs, but I could be wrong.

[51fixer]

Mustang experts
Do mustangs have a gear warning horn or does a horn go off when a low manifold pressure is reached?

There was a warning system with a horn. There is also lights in various configurations for indicating gear position.
We no longer have a horn but have 3 Green Lights, 1 for each gear to indicate down and locked, with a Red Light for anything other than the MLG being completely retracted with inner doors closed.
There is also a switch on the throttle so that if the throttle is brought to idle with the gear being other than locked down then the horn will sound.
We have a tone generator that goes through the audio panel so the pilot will hear it in the helmet. We also added a light above the instrument panel that will shine when the tone is generated as a visual warning in addition to the tone.
If the pilot flies an approach to landing and doesn't retard the throttle enough the warning won't sound until possibly a point where it is too late to add power to go around. Also while flying if you pull the throttle to idle you will get a tone or horn. Depending on what type of maneuvering your doing that can be annoying to some.