Warbird Information Exchange

DISCLAIMER: The views expressed on this site are the responsibility of the poster and do not reflect the views of the management.
It is currently Sat Jun 21, 2025 6:54 am

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Classic Wings Magazine WWII Naval Aviation Research Pacific Luftwaffe Resource Center
When Hollywood Ruled The Skies - Volumes 1 through 4 by Bruce Oriss


Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 51 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:29 pm 
Offline
3000+ Post Club
3000+ Post Club
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:11 pm
Posts: 3160
Location: MQS- Coatesville, PA
67N20 wrote:
ZRX61 wrote:
How many viper powered jets did they stop racing?


So as someone who has absolutely no knowledge of the jet classes, what are "viper" powered jets and why would they be banned? Too fast?

L-29 with a British Viper engine installed.
I don't know what the saftey concern is.

_________________
Rich Palmer

Remember an Injured Youth
benstear.org
#64- Stay Strong and Keep the Faith

BOOM BOOM, ROUND ROUND, PROPELLER GO

Don't Be A Dilbert!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:43 pm 
Offline
3000+ Post Club
3000+ Post Club
User avatar

Joined: Tue May 04, 2004 8:54 am
Posts: 3331
The safety concern is that the engine mounts were failing. Heather Penney had this happen at PRS, and the jet eflux came close to melting the tail off before she could get it down. Turns out the guy doing the conversions was also reported to be the tech inspector for the jet class at Reno, so was effectively signing off his own work.

I believe that there were also some concerns about the additional thrust (close to twice the original) pushing the airframes to their design speed, and possible resulting controlability/mach tuck issues on the course.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:05 pm 
Offline
3000+ Post Club
3000+ Post Club
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:11 pm
Posts: 3160
Location: MQS- Coatesville, PA
warbird2 wrote:
I have never been to Reno but I would think a true warbird person would not be impressed with the planes being flown like that and the engines being trashed so often. I am sure many warbirds have been destroyed in racing but I am sure that some are still around because of it. If you are looking for ramp reports it looks like wap and aafo have things covered.

I don't know what a True Warbird Person is.
Ed Maloney, Steve Hinton, Stevo Hinton, John Maloney, John Hinton, Jim Maloney, Lefty Gardner, Nelson Ezell, Lloyd Nolen, Howard Pardue, God this list could go on forever, sound like True Warbird People and all were very involved with the sport.
In the 30s Air Racing was used to develop fuels, engines and various accessories like electric boost pumps. These manufacturers sponsored racers as well. Some hard core technology was transfered to the warbirds that were developed during WWII. I want to say it was Art Chester, who was a racer, formed a company that made Spinners for Mustangs in WWII. Some of the engineers and designers involved with racing went to work for aircraft manufacturers.
Racing is a managed risk. These pilots are very good at what they do. Looking in and judging through our own experiences really doesn't do justice to how good they are in that environment.
While I realize many wouldn't want to change a current warbird into a racer, many of the real racers are built from just parts, some which were pulled out of a junk pile, and wouldn't be a flying airplane if it wasn't for Reno. Most going back nearly 15 - 20 years ago.
A couple racers have morphed back into restored warbirds so it isn't a forever proposition.
And there is the fun factor combined with an outlet for creative and can do people That get together once a year.
I would venture that a number of people that became warbird pilots and owners were 1st exposed to Warbirds at Reno or other Air Races.

_________________
Rich Palmer

Remember an Injured Youth
benstear.org
#64- Stay Strong and Keep the Faith

BOOM BOOM, ROUND ROUND, PROPELLER GO

Don't Be A Dilbert!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:43 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:26 pm
Posts: 942
Location: Greeley, CO
Wow, where's the 'LIKE' button?! Great way to put it....if those folks aren't 'true' warbird folks, then there are none....and I'm priviledged to say I know a few of them. I'm a warbird person/fan/aficianado and I am FASCINATED by what happens at Reno every year. Always will be. If some want to take the "Well...it's a RACER so it's not a WARBIRD!" attitude, fine with me....last I knew RareBear was still an F8F, September Pops was still a SeaFury, and the P-40B turning the pylons is still a P-40B.

Mark

_________________
Mark Morris


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 1:13 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:39 pm
Posts: 34
Location: Reno, NV
FYI - There is an iPhone app for the air races that give almost live updates on results. Buddy of mine made it and it is free.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 1:23 am 
Offline
Long Time Member
Long Time Member
User avatar

Joined: Tue May 11, 2004 5:42 pm
Posts: 6884
Location: The Goldfields, Victoria, Australia
Air Races ITP LLC?

_________________
James K

"Switch on the underwater landing lights"
Emilio Largo, Thunderball.

www.VintageAeroWriter.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:54 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Dec 16, 2008 2:39 pm
Posts: 34
Location: Reno, NV
The app for the Air Races is the one that says "powered by Infotech"


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 10:57 am 
Offline
2000+ Post Club
2000+ Post Club
User avatar

Joined: Sun Aug 13, 2006 7:11 pm
Posts: 2671
Location: Port Charlotte, Florida
For those of me who can't be there in person :( are any of the TV networks going to broadcast the racing action?

_________________
Dean Hemphill, K5DH
Port Charlotte, Florida


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:09 am 
Offline
1000+ Posts!
1000+ Posts!
User avatar

Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2004 10:30 pm
Posts: 1131
This is the first time I've missed Reno in many years. I wanted to go but the chance to engineer "FIFI" was to of a deal to pass up! Fortunately, facebook and phone calls from friends on the ground there are keeping me in the loop!

_________________
Brad


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:05 pm 
Offline
Senior Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:22 am
Posts: 3875
Location: DFW Texas
k5dh wrote:
For those of me who can't be there in person :( are any of the TV networks going to broadcast the racing action?


I havn't seen Reno on TV since WW of Sports used to broadcast some highlights... :(

You can watch the web cast...

http://www.airrace.org/video.php

_________________
Zane Adams
There I was at 20,000 ft, upside down and out of ammunition.
_______________________________________________________________________________
Join us for the Texas Warbird Report on WarbirdRadio.com!
Image http://www.facebook.com/WarbirdRadio
Listen at http://www.warbirdradio.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 1:50 pm 
Offline
2000+ Post Club
2000+ Post Club

Joined: Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:16 am
Posts: 2308
51fixer wrote:
A couple racers have morphed back into restored warbirds so it isn't a forever proposition.


Stiletto -> Ragun Cajun -> Diamondback.

Parts of Stiletto in my garage someplace & others screwed to the wall at a local bar..

_________________
Those who possess real knowledge are rare.

Those who can set that knowledge into motion in the physical world are rarer still.

The few who possess real knowledge and can set it into motion of their own hands are the rarest of all.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:01 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:11 pm
Posts: 64
Location: Vancouver, BC
Live feed:
http://loadedtv.com/?page_id=6


http://www.warbirdaeropress.com/
http://www.aafo.com


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:04 pm 
Offline
3000+ Post Club
3000+ Post Club
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jul 17, 2007 9:11 pm
Posts: 3160
Location: MQS- Coatesville, PA
ZRX61 wrote:
51fixer wrote:
A couple racers have morphed back into restored warbirds so it isn't a forever proposition.


Stiletto -> Ragun Cajun -> Diamondback.

Parts of Stiletto in my garage someplace & others screwed to the wall at a local bar..

Blind Mans Bluff in process.
Dago Red?

_________________
Rich Palmer

Remember an Injured Youth
benstear.org
#64- Stay Strong and Keep the Faith

BOOM BOOM, ROUND ROUND, PROPELLER GO

Don't Be A Dilbert!


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:56 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:56 pm
Posts: 138
And there is/was serious talk of converting the Bologna Slicer back to a stocker.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 6:38 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:51 pm
Posts: 102
Location: winnipeg mb canada
Friday 6:30 pm dst Watching the live video feed at http://airrace.org/video.php.

something happended - chairs scattered, people milling around, firemen around?

Any news?
update -

Sad - plane crash reported http://www.kolotv.com/home/headlines/Plane_Crash_Reported_at_Reno_Air_Races_129995508.html


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 51 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next

All times are UTC - 5 hours


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot] and 27 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group