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I’ve been (really) wanting to go to Reno for the last two years.
All I know is, if there is an air race at Reno next year, I’ll be there; supporting them 100%.

Phil

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Bump !

Edit: Thread-Winner IMHO

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A victim from a box seat, likely at the point of impact. There wouldn't be much left I'm afraid. Possibly ID'd by something unique (engraved wedding band, tattoo etc) would DNA testing be done already? There very well could be more vic's id'd as the (small) bit's and pieces of bodies are sorted and tested. Gruesome yes, but it's what happens. Violent impacts don't leave much soft stuff behind.

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They are doing DNA testing right now. There have been a few news reports on how this is a process that takes time and patience. My thoughts are there are lots and lots of samples that they have to test and the death toll will rise. There are currently several people classified as missing. That number is not confirmed but the paper lists 2 people missing. I am sure there are more and family members are not releasing names pending DNA tests.

Just a reinforcement of why I posted the above quote from FF

I highlighted a couple of important lines:

Reno Crash Update: Telemetry Data Emerges
By Robert Goyer / Published: Sep 20, 2011


On the heels of the news that another spectator had died in the Reno air crash, bringing the toll to 10 victims, NTSB investigators have announced that they discovered that the accident airplane was outfitted with telemetry and an outward-facing video camera. On Sunday accident investigators found the camera, along with, more importantly, its data card, at the crash site. Investigators have not said what clues they hope to learn if technicians can recover video from the card.
It does seem clear, however, telemetry information, which NTSB officials said included aircraft health information, could add critical details needed to piece together a complete picture of what happened to Jimmy Leeward’s airplane in those fateful last moments. A few hints of just how crucial the data from Leeward’s airplane might be emerged Monday when a few details from the telemetry information were reported by a crewmember of a different airplane. They included an 11-G pull up, the temporary loss of power at the top of the climb (presumably as the fuel was interrupted) and then the resumption of power as the airplane started back down. The data also showed that the engine was putting out very high power all the way down.
Another incident in another highly modified Mustang involving the racer Voodoo back in 1998 has also come to the NTSB’s attention. In that incident, pilot Bob Hannah was racing on the back side of the course when the airplane lost a trim tab. Voodoo immediately pitched up at what Hannah estimated as more than 10 Gs, at which point he lost consciousness. By the time he came to, Voodoo had climbed to 9,000 feet, and he was able to bring the airplane back in for an uneventful landing. A third Mustang event, the fatal crash of Miss Ashley II a year later, was determined by the NTSB to have been caused most probably by flutter. That highly modified P-51 disintegrated in flight, killing pilot Gary Levitz.
Emerging on Monday was new video shown by NBC on its Today show, showing new, disturbing footage of Leeward’s mustang crashing into the crowd.
The NTSB says that it plans to release a factual report on the crash on Friday.

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I was over on Mooneyspace.com and a member there was very close to the accident. Here is his description of it from his view as well as a link to the pictures he took during the event. I don't see the need to post them here but have included the link to them. Very close and very detailed.

http://www.mooneyspace.com/index.cfm?ma ... eadid=3430

https://picasaweb.google.com/yahyoubetc ... RaceCrash#

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I suspect there is a physicist-type that can calculate the amount of energy released at the moment of impact, but I think most people can’t really comprehend how that would translate to an effect.

DB

Has anyone found a video of the initial pitch up?

In my mind I have a picture of the pitch up as it happened and I remember a violent pitch up that in my mind exceeded the 11 g's that was alluded to by a pit crew member. I would guess the pitch at even more then that. That is why I would like to see it on tape if possible.

I know in order to pull just 9.1 g's in my Extra I have to dive to over 200 knots and pull very abrupt and with a huge force. Comparing to when I have seen world class competitors pulling up to 13 g's I remember the pitch up exceeded that relative change in direction by a large degree and I remember a sort of twitch at the end of the pitch up of GG. My wife remembers the exact same sequence but a friend next to us does not remember an abrupt pitch.

Also just for relative info when I am flying straight and level in the Mustang indicating 260 to 270 mph and accelerate to 340 to 360 I have to add what seems to be a lot of down trim to keep the forces neutral. I tend to not use a lot of down trim since the higher speeds are temporary and there is a safety factor in the natural pitch up if I should release the stick for any reason. Yet some times I do re trim as the forces get pretty high and it gets a little uncomfortable with all that pressure.

Holy crap! Those are the first pics I've seen surface with that kind of clarity.

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I just received the following note
"Speed around the #8 pylon - 500mph 102" MP
When trim tab let go 22.6 G's

Speed decayed to 375mph then accelerated again to 500+mph just before impact."

No doubt these numbers came from the aircraft's telemetry. If verified, these numbers are stunning!"

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Thanks Stoney, man I had to pick my jaw up from the floor at seeing those numbers

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22.6!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How did the plane stay together after something like that? That is nuts if correct.

I went to Reno from 03 to 08.my friend Chuck Smith always had a box where it hitHe let me sit there for free.Hoping he didnt go this year

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worried about Reno's future.Houses being built around the airport already had me doubtful.now this.glad I got to go a number of times

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Good God.