Just when you've seen it all - part 4

Randy Wilson · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:20 pm

In the first photo, if they were captured, why change only the underwing insignia and leave the fuselage insignia intact? I'm not sure that is the correct story on that image.

In the third photo, with the two B-36s, both are B-36B-1-CF models, the first armed production versions and before the addition of the jet engines. BM-027 was the second produced (44-92027) and BM-035 was 44-92035 of a total of 62 of that model. They became operational at Carswell AFB in 1948.

On the last photo, I would think this may have been made during the filming of The Battle of Britain movie. My 2 cents.

Randy

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The Inspector · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:31 pm

Mark Allen M wrote:

This one is all over the place, but some fun photos to look at anyway. Here ya go

Captured Corsairs by the Japanese :wink:

Captured Spitfires by the Germans :wink:

B-36's and B-25's on a mission to retrieve those Corsairs and Spits :wink:

If your not going to paint a shark mouth then at least paint a sabertooth tiger mouth :wink:

And talk about seeing a few mirror images this morning? :wink:

And who said Spain didn't participate in the battle of Britian? Here's proof :wink:

The Italians actually did participate, to a minor extent in the BoB using CR-42's.
And where were these 'captured 'F4U's based? Looks more like the second wave of 'John Ford attacks Pearl Harbor with SBD's'

Randy Wilson · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:35 pm

Mark - sorry, I didn't read those as winks - I'm not much for those little icons. You have to realize that I've actually seen a fellow build a website to honor his grandfather who was killed when the atomic bomb went off on the Doolittle Raid. No kidding. Randy

Jerry O'Neill · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:17 pm

The Corsair pic looks like they're getting ready to change the size of the markings. Side still has the star with no bar.
Certainly not captured by the Japanese!
Jerry

Wildchild · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:23 pm

Look at the fuselage of the first corsair. Defiantly not Japanese :wink:

Edit: jerry you beat me to it lol

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The Inspector · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:39 pm

Mark Allen M wrote:

Randy Wilson wrote:

Mark - sorry, I didn't read those as winks - I'm not much for those little icons. You have to realize that I've actually seen a fellow build a website to honor his grandfather who was killed when the atomic bomb went off on the Doolittle Raid. No kidding. Randy

Not a problem, I just assume everyone here knows what the icons mean and what is mean't when they are used, now I'm worried some WIXers may think those Spitfires were actually captured by the Germans as well as the Corsairs being captured by the Japanese. geek

Truth is the Corsairs are indeed having some sort of new insignia modified. NOT captured by the Japanese. :shock:

As for the Doolittle raid and the Atomic Bomb having some sort of close relationship? Well that's about as close as 1942 was to 1945 in relation.

Keep in mind that we are now dealing with brainiacs who need to be told a cup of coffe 'may be hot' that raw meat should be 'refrigerated after purchase and cooked before consuming', people who turn on the cruise control in the motor home and go in the back to fix a sandwich :roll:

revisionists BAHH!

Keith Gaff · **Posted:** Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:16 pm

Hello Mark,

The Germans did fly the odd captured Spitfire: but not those ones. This pic dates from the mid 1950's when the Spitfires were painted up as the baddies in a recreation of Operation Jericho; the Amiens Prison Raid for the Farnborough Air Show.

This little episode reminds me of a similar event on a forum some time ago where a colour photo of a Hurricane flying in German markings was posted. The forum went nuts with speculation over this find until Captain Buzz Kill (namely me) pointed out that it was a still from the wartime film Captains of the Clouds and the Hurricane was depicting a Messerschmitt Bf109.

The instantaneous and worldwide nature of this forum means that any misinterpretation of an image gets a life of it's own real fast. I've been around a long time so I know the origins of these photo's; but if you don't it's easy to be deceived. Add to that Photoshop and you can fool all of the people all of the time.

By the way; loved the photo's.

Regards,

Keith Gaff

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Dave Homewood · **Posted:** Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:04 am

Keith Gaff wrote:

This pic dates from the mid 1950's when the Spitfires were painted up as the baddies in a recreation of Operation Jericho; the Amiens Prison Raid for the Farnborough Air Show.

Yes I believe it was the 1950 Farnborough Show. A friend of mine, now deceased, attended and said it was quite a spectacle seeing the quadron of Mosquitoes bombing the wall and mixing it with the Spitfires dressed as Bf109's.

One of those Spitfires in the photo is TB863, formerly owned by Sir Tim Wallis here in New Zealand and now owend and flown by the Temora Aviation Museum in Australia.

JDK · **Posted:** Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:24 am

The Inspector wrote:

The Italians actually did participate, to a minor extent in the BoB using CR-42's.

The 'Chianti Raiders' flew CR-42 fighters, Fiat Br 20s and Cant Z1007 bombers from Belgium, for several raids but brief period overall. Italy declared war opportunistically on France and Britain in June 1940 and actually invaded southern France, IIRC. The British attacks were Mussolini getting in on what he hoped would be Hitler's victory.

Three other things - The British were nearly flying Italian Regianne Re 2000 fighters in the Battle of Britain. An order was actually placed in the late 1930s when the Air Ministry thought production of British fighters (as T-6s were ordered as Harvards for trainers from the USA) wouldn't keep up.

Secondly the Italians also fought in equally obsolescent fighters and bombers on the Eastern Front against the Russians. Cheap jokes about the Italian airmen's bravery and prowess are undeserved; they fought better than their political leaders deserved, in aircraft that were inadequate and outgunned and badly let down by radio and support structures like ground control. I doubt 'our' airmen would have battled on in bad causes as bravely and with such sacrifice as they did.

The surviving CR-42 in the RAF Museum was a Chianti Raider, downed on Chesil Beach.

Regards,

TAdan · **Posted:** Thu Apr 26, 2012 7:34 am

JDK wrote:

The Inspector wrote:

The Italians actually did participate, to a minor extent in the BoB using CR-42's.

The 'Chianti Raiders' flew CR-42 fighters, Fiat Br 20s and Cant Z1007 bombers from Belgium, for several raids but brief period overall. Italy declared war opportunistically on France and Britain in June 1940 and actually invaded southern France, IIRC. The British attacks were Mussolini getting in on what he hoped would be Hitler's victory.

Three other things - The British were nearly flying Italian Regianne Re 2000 fighters in the Battle of Britain. An order was actually placed in the late 1930s when the Air Ministry thought production of British fighters (as T-6s were ordered as Harvards for trainers from the USA) wouldn't keep up.

Secondly the Italians also fought in equally obsolescent fighters and bombers on the Eastern Front against the Russians. Cheap jokes about the Italian airmen's bravery and prowess are undeserved; they fought better than their political leaders deserved, in aircraft that were inadequate and outgunned and badly let down by radio and support structures like ground control. I doubt 'our' airmen would have battled on in bad causes as bravely and with such sacrifice as they did.

The surviving CR-42 in the RAF Museum was a Chianti Raider, downed on Chesil Beach.

Regards,

That is fascinating JDK. I never heard about the Italian involvment in the BoB before. Now I'll have to go and learn more about it. :drink3:

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