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video from kingman

Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:13 pm

thought you guys might enjoy this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TJk1jqzjYU

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Mon Dec 31, 2012 8:46 pm

Ray LaMontagne song went well with this video..

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Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:58 pm

You really have to wonder what went through the hearts and mind's of the men who were operating the machinery. Being forced to reduce a amazing airplane down to a coke can...

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Tue Jan 01, 2013 5:09 am

Very hard to watch. Something like watching a good, faithful old dog that is terminally ill and having to put it to sleep. So sad :(

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Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:45 am

Thank you. Great collection of nose art.

They are still chopping up airplanes at Kingman.

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Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:45 pm

Wildchild wrote:You really have to wonder what went through the hearts and mind's of the men who were operating the machinery. Being forced to reduce a amazing airplane down to a coke can...



Unfortunately, from our time/distance perspective it's a hand wringer-at that time 'it's a post war job which were hard to come by, the hours and pay are alright. All this is just so much old, worn out crap we'll NEVER need again and nobody wants it.'

The WAA offered '5 GRAND' to the city of Seattle as a war memorial but the city council couldn't raise the money to pay for it's flight to Seattle and no one here really wanted an old stinky airplane.

A guy in Portland. Ore. bought a bunch of surplussed B-17's from the WAA for about $1200.00 each, he had a string of gypo gas stations so he drained the gas out and left the aircraft, he had no use for them beyond storage for his gasoline stash.

New build airliners went begging because there were DC-3/C-47's parked over the curve of the earth that could be had for pocket change.

Because there was so much rolled Stainless Steel left after the war that had almost no scrap value, Detroit went crazy with CRES trim on post war autos (57-58 BUICKS and OLDSMOBILES among others), that's why pot metal hood ornaments and badges are all crusty and funky on 50's cars but the side trim and windshield frames are still pristine. I know the all chrome trim on my '63 T-Bird is all CRES.

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Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:50 pm

As heart wrenching as these pictures seem to us, keep in mind that we're watching this from the perspective of nearly 70 years later and knowing how valuable those planes that did survive the mass scrappings were to become. I'm sure for the workers chopping up the planes it was simply a matter of "beating swords into plowshares", discarding the implements of a long and costly war and moving forward towards and era of peace and prosperuty.

With the airplane itself being only over 40 years old at the time, scarcely more than a generation, I don't think anyone could have foreseen the value of these planes in terms of "keeping history alive". While there were some attempts to save some planes, such as Memphis Belle and The Swoose, other attempts, such as saving 5 Grand, fell short. (I believe that if the Navy had kept "Big E" for another 10 years before wanting to scrap her, the outcome of the campaign to save her would have ended differently). I'm sure if you asked someone in 1945 would they believe that their planes would still be flying 70 years later, they would completely scoff at the notion.

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Tue Jan 01, 2013 11:30 pm

Well done video. I thank the person(s) for taking those pictures so the nose art and the names were not lost.

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Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:45 am

Lots of history there for sure. What would a person with a metal detector find out there today just below the surface?

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Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:44 am

I have wondered this for many years, was the instrumentation removed from the interior of the planes prior to the chopping block cutting it up? If so, were the instruments saved in a government warehouse somehwere? How about the engines, were they simply scrapped as well or did they go into storage?

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Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:22 pm

Pat Carry wrote:I have wondered this for many years, was the instrumentation removed from the interior of the planes prior to the chopping block cutting it up? If so, were the instruments saved in a government warehouse somehwere? How about the engines, were they simply scrapped as well or did they go into storage?


pat from what I've read some of the instruments were removed along with other pieces/parts, engines to have as spares for other aircraft types. I really don't know how accurate this is but just relaying what I've read. :?

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Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:34 pm

At 0:25, I think that's the Douglas B-19.

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Wed Jan 02, 2013 12:34 pm

Sgt13Echo wrote:Ray LaMontagne song went well with this video..


So often the songs are a big distraction or seem inappropriate. Not in this case.

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Wed Jan 02, 2013 2:59 pm

I just read that on VJ Day the U.S.A.A.F. had 3700+ B-29's available-

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Wed Jan 02, 2013 3:44 pm

At 0:25, I think that's the Douglas B-19.


Good eye! Cool to see how it dwarfed even the B-29s parked around it.
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