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Anybody know where to get the paint specs to accurately reproduce the Coast Guard scheme on an Albotross? The aircraft is being painted to represent the later style of CG markings as represented by the example below. Looking for information on size and placement of all markings.

TIA!

What type of specs are you looking for....type of primer, paint, layout, etc??

Is this for a flyer or a museum piece?

Thanks....John

Hi John, thanks for the reply. Looking for specs on the size and placement of all the markings. The airplane is Hans Lauridsen's and, as with all his birds, it is "technically" flyable, but has not been flown in some time. I do not know what his plans are for the collection as I'm simply trying to help out the gentleman doing the paint work. I know Hans was interested in forming a museum of some sort at Glendale airport (AZ) before he and said airport had a falling out and he moved all his stuff to Buckeye.

Ok...got ya. I checked my CD's and I surprisingly did not have any manuals for the HU-16. I'll ask my CG airplane expert if he has one. I have J2F series, PBY's, PB4Y's, 131's, and H-52 but no HU-16.

What you might try is call the Coast Guard Aviation Logistics Center in Elizabeth City, NC. They have been doing rebuild, overhaul and repair on our aircraft since way back when. We've had other military services want them to do repair work on their aircraft. I know their graphics dept can print out stencil kits for our older aircraft. I had to get one for a paint job on a museum H-52.

If Han's wants to get his Goat flying again in Coast Guard colors, he maybe able to contact the Coast Guard Aviation Association (CGAA)and see if they would be interested in offering some assistance. This might be of interest to them.

What are the numbers of this particular HU-16? Is it a former CG airframe? That may help in any discussion with the CGAA.

Check out this Youtube. This has some great pics of old CG aircraft. Of note, a few years back we were able to get the Goat that was sitting at the Pate Museum. You will see some pics of it being worked on here. It currently sits at the front gate of CG Air Station Clearwater. This particular airframe never had any CG service.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yqemSJVBgI


This is the one that sits at the front gate at the CG base in ECity. The ALC does the work on this.

Thanks again John, I will pass along the info to the proper folks. As far as I know this particular Albatross was a Navy bird and does not have a CG history. It is currently registered N216HU, previously N7026X, N904G, and N9131. More info and pictures of all the birds in the collection can be found here: http://www.air-and-space.com/20100219%2 ... ridsen.htm

Much appreciated!

Connie Edwards has his painted in USCG markings...you could ask him.

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Han's has some neat planes in his collection. I bet he has fun with them.....John

Curiously, on the Web page the link to which you posted here it describes the Albatross in question as an "HU-16E" which of course was specifically a Coast Guard model. I wonder why they would have made that particular identification there on the Web site when the actual FAA registration for N216HU lists it only as a quite non-specific model "HU-16".

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Just picking up on that comment about the move from Glendale - can anyone confirm the current location of Hans' Catalina? - is it still at Glendale?

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Hmmm.....this site shows it as a G-333 as a "C" model.

http://www.hu-16.com/current.htm


A Goat in CG colors.......2006 at Oshkosh......

Is that supposed to be the actual aircraft in question? According to the prevous site, it looked to be in faded old paint worn almost to the point of being stripped to bare metal.

Also, the Albatross in this photo (above) is a long-wing version as evidenced by the cambered tip (as is a "real" USCG model HU-16E if this is indeed one - the paint scheme alone doesn't prove that it is.) The short-wing Albatrosses such as the model UF-1 / HU-16C had slots in the outboard wing panel leading edges and an almost symmetrical airfoil at the tip.

The photo is pre-captioned "A Goat..." so I am going to assume that it is not "the" Goat in question. A quick Google image search just revealed that N216HU (c/n G-333) is indeed a short-wing version and therefore cannot be an HU-16E as they noted on the Web site mentioned earlier. For example:

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The Catalina is now at Buckeye. I'm relatively certain that none of the collection is left at Glendale at this point.

That pic above came the CGAA site. I believe that to be the Connie Edwards one.

Also from the CGAA site talking about CG Goats in general....The aircraft was designated HU-1E in the early sixties. The stretched wing version of the Albatross, in its day was the Coast Guard's workhorse. All Coast Guard UF-1 models were converted to the improved performance configuration. The Coast Guard operated 77 of these aircraft for many years. They were retired as they reached a service life of 11,000 hours. In 1962, the world records for the class aircraft were set by a Coast Guard crew flying HU-16E CGNR 7255. CDR Wally Dahlgren was certified by the FAA with record speed of 200 knots on a 1000 NM closed course carrying 1000 and 2000 course and 200KG weight. CDR W G Fenlon was also awarded a world record for distance flown, completing a 3107 mile flight from Kodiak, AK to Pensacola FL in 13 hours and 13 minutes. An HU-16E at CGAS Brooklyn set the world altitude record for this class. CGNR 7236 is now on permanent display at the National Museum of Naval Aviation at NAS Pensacola.


This real nice one below is another pic of it from the Flyinghigher site. It shows it as a C model on the tail.

They are both of the same aircraft - N226CG - and according to the latest FAA registration record, Connie Edwards seems to have sold it recently - it is now registered as "Sale Reported."

Also, the FAA actually has it listed as a long-wing "HU-16B" built in 1953 but they have its serial number listed as "7226" which would be valid only as a Coast Guard serial for a HU-16E; according to my records it was originally built in 1951 as an Air Force SA-16A (serial no. 51-7226) and then "upgraded" to a long-wing B model in 1956 or so, but in any case the actual Grumman mfg's serial by which it is supposed to be registered now as a civilian aircraft with the FAA is G-307.

In the larger second photo, it is obviously a long-wing version because of the cambered wingtip without any slots on the outboard wing panels. Regardless of how it is painted, it is not a short-wing model HU-16C (but whether or not it was originally an Air Force model HU-16B, a Navy model HU-16D, or a Coast Guard model HU-16E is not so obvious.) Because the flaps are partially extended, the usually obvious inboard constant chord 70 inch wing extensions are not visible in the second photo, but other features of the later long-winged variants are still evident, including the taller vertical stab and the protruding leading edge of the horizontal stab.

...unlike the original subject of this thread, N216HU. As far as a "correct" paint scheme for a short-wing UF-1G variant of the "Goat" in Coast Guard service, wouldn't the silver paint scheme with the black-bordered yellow band around the waist and wing tips just like an Air Force SAR scheme be a more appropriate?

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A Goat in CG colors.......2006 at Oshkosh......
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Is that supposed to be the actual aircraft in question? According to the prevous site, it looked to be in faded old paint worn almost to the point of being stripped to bare metal.[/quote]

I know next to nothing about this type , so I will axe why is the landing gear down while the ship is in the water ? Obviously it it not in taxi up a ramp.....I'm jus axin'

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