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Should aircraft involved in fatal accidents be restored to fly?
Yes, fly them! Let the owner decide. 82%  82%  [ 76 ]
No, never. I'm against it. 2%  2%  [ 2 ]
It depends... 16%  16%  [ 15 ]
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 8:53 am 
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I think I posted this once, yes it's strange but should be done. The Kennedy Limo is on display too and could easily have been destroyed.

I've seen the JFK's limo at the Henry Ford Museum. I was surprised that not only is it on display, but it was refurbished and put back into service as a Presidential/VIP limo. I had always assumed it was locked in some FBI warehouse as evidence, or destroyed.

Personally, I don't have too much of a problem with rebuilding an aircraft involved in a fatal incident. I've ridden in at least one that I'm aware of (although it only incorporated maybe 25 percent of the original parts.) The CAF Red Tail Mustang is a good example of a warbird involved in a fatal crash that has been rebuilt as a tribute to the deceased pilot. I think as long as appropriate respect is paid to the deceased, there's nothing wrong with it.

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I belive its importent to restore the planes after a crash, for me it does not matter if it was fatal or not. Its sad that people loose their lives in an crash. But I belive the pilots would like the planes rebuilt.

When it comes to Spitfire SM845, I knew Bertil who perished in this accident. I was at an airshow just a few weeks before this acident and was on my way to Tynset when he crashed. And belive he would like the plane rebuilt.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:45 am 
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There wouldn't be a need for debate, polls, what-have-you if we would just stop flying warbirds altogether. Isn't it time we stop the killing and destruction of our historic artifacts?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JzJfe-r-1H ... zJfe-r-1HY

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I also think we should go back to eating horses and not riding them, after all their just four legged meat! pop2

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There wouldn't be a need for debate, polls, what-have-you if we would just stop flying warbirds altogether. Isn't it time we stop the killing and destruction of our historic artifacts?

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JzJfe-r-1H ... zJfe-r-1HY

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I also think we should go back to eating horses and not riding them, after all their just four legged meat! pop2


OMG I got so mad at that video! Boy you always gotta stir the pot don't ya? :wink:

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phil65 wrote:
It depends, would you rebuild “Lady be Good”?

Phil


No fatalities on the aircraft:

"No human remains were found on board the aircraft nor in the surrounding crash site, nor were parachutes found. Evidence aboard the plane indicated that the men had bailed out."

"After parachuting to the desert floor, eight of the nine airmen had managed to meet up by firing their revolvers and signal flares into the air. They had not been able to find the ninth crewman, bombardier Lt. John Woravka, because unknown to them his parachute had only partially opened and he likely died on impact."

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Taylor Stevenson wrote:
I'd be hard pressed to restore a recovered aircraft that's been a war grave for decades...


How is it different? Is a WW2 life lost somehow different than a more recent one? More valuable?


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I'd be hard pressed to restore a recovered aircraft that's been a war grave for decades...


How is it different? Is a WW2 life lost somehow different than a more recent one? More valuable?


I agree. Im someone that never had the honor of knowing Mr. Odegard, but it would be my wish and dream to see Race 74 completely rebuilt. As far as wartime Corsairs, I would respect those two airmen lost in the F4U-1s up in Maine, but restore those planes in their honor.

Of course not doing so until I had the families approval / blessing.

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At what point is the term "war grave" a cop-out for "we don't want to spend the money ourselves, but don't want anyone else to get it either"?


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I'm not sure what "war grave" and "cop-out" have in common, or what they should have in common. I guess you could find examples if you dissected it long enough.

I'd like to think Rupert Brooke's 1914 poem "The Soldier" has some validity regarding the justification for war graves.
"If I should die, think only this of me. That there's some corner of a foreign field that is for ever England."

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Oddly enough, I would restore James Dean's Porsche. Go figure.

-Tim

You might want to rethink that one. That car seems to be out for blood and has killed people even after it was wrecked......http://www.qsl.net/w5www/dean.html


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People poo-poo the war grave aspect out of hand cept 1 or 2 folks. But, do the family's feelings
matter in this? They better! That's a subject I'd tred lightly over has people can be different in that regard.
If an aircraft found today with crew entombed I would have a hard time getting on the lets fly
it bandwagon. It's been a sarcophagus for 70 years and a flying machine only a few months.
Respect trumps fly the b*tch without the family's Ok.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 2:58 pm 
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If it's a "war grave", recover, remove bodies and put on display.
http://www.hunley.org/

http://www.u-air.info/www/uair/uair.nsf ... enDocument

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You must have missed that copywrite thread....... :o
1952 eh I bet they threw the poor guy intoa gunny sack..... :(

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scr...the copyright...where is that airframe? ...after all that trouble it was probably scrapped.

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RandolphB wrote:
Tiger Tim wrote:
phil65 wrote:

Oddly enough, I would restore James Dean's Porsche. Go figure.

-Tim

You might want to rethink that one. That car seems to be out for blood and has killed people even after it was wrecked......http://www.qsl.net/w5www/dean.html
"Christine" was Fiction?.. Right?? :shock: ..HMMM.. and to think, the Spit. in question FR XVIII SM845 was JUST rolled out in the U.K, fresh out of restoration! :drink3: May she live a good long life!!


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