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Re: Weathered, Worn, Waterlogged and Patched Up ...

Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:16 am

Part 7

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SNJ-5B at NAS Litchfield Park 1960

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Slightly weathered F-86 Sabre

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B-29 Explosives Testing, Bone Yard Davis–Monthan Arizona, 1956

Re: Weathered, Worn, Waterlogged and Patched Up ...

Wed Jan 29, 2014 12:03 pm

daviemax wrote:
hang the expense wrote:
Chris Brame wrote:I wanna play too. These two shots of a Swiss cheese B-17E or F were from a photo album sold on eBay:
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Only info was it was at a training base in Alabama...

She was an F model and the way to tell is the remains of the single gun mount in the nose.What the heck happened to that plane?


Could she have possibly been damaged by severe weather?



Only if Alabama has a record of an anvil downpour :roll: :shock: At a blind guess, it was a weary or badly twisted airframe that was used to train new structures guys how to patch up combat damage.

Re: Weathered, Worn, Waterlogged and Patched Up ...

Wed Jan 29, 2014 1:36 pm

Wild guess: the students would chop pieces out of the skin and use them to make the patches?
Only if Alabama has a record of an anvil downpour

Mods, can we please get an emoticon that does a spit take on the computer? :lol:

Re: Weathered, Worn, Waterlogged and Patched Up ...

Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:49 pm

Chris Brame wrote:Wild guess: the students would chop pieces out of the skin and use them to make the patches?
Only if Alabama has a record of an anvil downpour

Mods, can we please get an emoticon that does a spit take on the computer? :lol:



Gotta learn someplace, never met a person who had been clubbed with the knowledge stick and intuitivly knew it all-learning to work tin is an art.
the first guy you scurry to get away from is the one who says 'I know EVERYTHING about 'that' because he's gonna kill someone.

Re: Weathered, Worn, Waterlogged and Patched Up ...

Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:53 pm

daviemax wrote:
hang the expense wrote:
Chris Brame wrote:I wanna play too. These two shots of a Swiss cheese B-17E or F were from a photo album sold on eBay:
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Only info was it was at a training base in Alabama...

She was an F model and the way to tell is the remains of the single gun mount in the nose.What the heck happened to that plane?


Could she have possibly been damaged by severe weather?

Not likely because the skin is removed between the frames and the flap skins on the bottom of the wing have holes in between the ribs as well.She looks like bare metal to me.

Re: Weathered, Worn, Waterlogged and Patched Up ...

Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:59 pm

i believe that pby is still in the desert, in much worse condition though. take a look at the great condition of the found hellcats 26 years after ww2 submerged in salt water!! remarkable!!

Re: Weathered, Worn, Waterlogged and Patched Up ...

Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:44 pm

From what I remember reading the Hellcat was raised from rather deep water which is why she was in as good a shape as she was.What a beauty.

Re: Weathered, Worn, Waterlogged and Patched Up ...

Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:31 pm

The Inspector wrote:
Chris Brame wrote:Wild guess: the students would chop pieces out of the skin and use them to make the patches?
Only if Alabama has a record of an anvil downpour

Mods, can we please get an emoticon that does a spit take on the computer? :lol:



Gotta learn someplace, never met a person who had been clubbed with the knowledge stick and intuitivly knew it all-learning to work tin is an art.
the first guy you scurry to get away from is the one who says 'I know EVERYTHING about 'that' because he's gonna kill someone.


I use that line all the time. "If you come across anyone in this industry, who says they know everything, A- they're dangerous. B- They're full of $hit!"

As far as sheet metal goes. It's really easy to make scrap!

BTW, does anyone have some recent shots of that Hellcat? Know its whereabouts?

Thanks

Andy Scott

Re: Weathered, Worn, Waterlogged and Patched Up ...

Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:38 pm

I believe that Hellcat ended up in Pensacola.

http://machinedesign.com/community/nati ... ifty-years

Re: Weathered, Worn, Waterlogged and Patched Up ...

Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:45 pm

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That sure looks like China Lake to me. By 1956 weren't all the remaining B-29's in the Navy's possession at China Lake?

Re: Weathered, Worn, Waterlogged and Patched Up ...

Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:56 am

The name appears to be smiling jack above all the missle damage.

Re: Weathered, Worn, Waterlogged and Patched Up ...

Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:13 pm

tom d. friedman wrote:i believe that pby is still in the desert, in much worse condition though. take a look at the great condition of the found hellcats 26 years after ww2 submerged in salt water!! remarkable!!


The Catalina is still there but, contrary to the original poster's photo caption, it is in Saudi Arabia, not Egypt.

Re: Weathered, Worn, Waterlogged and Patched Up ...

Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:29 pm

David Legg wrote:contrary to the original poster's photo caption, it is in Saudi Arabia, not Egypt.

Yah sometimes the "original poster" gets his info fubar'ed, albeit rare though, I knew it wasn't Egypt, just testing to see who is paying attention ... :wink:
Who can really trust that whacky original poster anyway to get his stories straight. I certainly can't .... :wink:

As for the B-29's either at China Lake or Davis–Monthan Arizona? LIFE archives state Davis–Monthan. They could be wrong as that has happened before as well. All this straightening up of information is what you guys are for. :supz:

Same location below as the original photo I posted.

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Re: Weathered, Worn, Waterlogged and Patched Up ...

Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:39 pm

David Legg wrote:
tom d. friedman wrote:i believe that pby is still in the desert, in much worse condition though. take a look at the great condition of the found hellcats 26 years after ww2 submerged in salt water!! remarkable!!


The Catalina is still there but, contrary to the original poster's photo caption, it is in Saudi Arabia, not Egypt.





crazy that the pby is out in the desert!! aside from the whipping sand & scavenger souvenir hunters why is this bird so rusty?? look at the raf kittyhawk recovered last year, it's in fabulous shape compared to the cat, & no ocean anywhere nearby w/ salt air!! how close to the salt water is that cat??

Re: Weathered, Worn, Waterlogged and Patched Up ...

Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:41 pm

tom d. friedman wrote:


crazy that the pby is out in the desert!! aside from the whipping sand & scavenger souvenir hunters why is this bird so rusty?? look at the raf kittyhawk recovered last year, it's in fabulous shape compared to the cat, & no ocean anywhere nearby w/ salt air!! how close to the salt water is that cat??



It's IN the water - between high and low tide marks on the beach IIRC

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