Heinkel 111 from Battle of Britian Movie also restorations

Ed Likes · **Posted:** Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:27 am

I just watched the Battle of Britian Movie with a buddy last night. The movie being done in 1969 it looked like there were real Heinkel's in some of the scenes. Today 2014 Im unaware of any Heinkel's anywhere in the world either being flown or being restored to flying condition. The last one I knew of was lost a few years ago by the CAF.
So my question is two fold what became of the Heinkel's used in the movie Battle of Britian, and is there an organization or individual restoring one to flying condition? Also did Connie Edwards sell the Mustang to the Eureopean that bought all his other aircraft recently? Thanks in advance.

Warbird Kid · **Posted:** Thu Oct 23, 2014 9:37 am

Ed, all the He-111's used in the movie were Spanish built CASA 2.111s with Merlin engines instead of the Jumos. Approximately 14 or so exist today in storage, display, or restoration. The last one that is flyable would be the Cavanaugh Flight Museum's example. But this one hasn't flown for many years. A few airframes are slated to be restored to flight but I haven't seen or heard anything recently. Maybe someone here can shed some more light on the topic.

Obergrafeter · **Posted:** Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:22 am

The Mustang is staying Stateside.

mustangdriver · **Posted:** Thu Oct 23, 2014 10:28 am

The NMUSAF has an HE-111 in storage. I wonder if it was used in the movie.

ehansey · **Joined:** Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:27 am **Posts:** 6

Warbird Kid wrote:

Ed, all the He-111's used in the movie were Spanish built CASA 2.111s with Merlin engines instead of the Jumos. Approximately 14 or so exist today in storage, display, or restoration. The last one that is flyable would be the Cavanaugh Flight Museum's example. But this one hasn't flown for many years. A few airframes are slated to be restored to flight but I haven't seen or heard anything recently. Maybe someone here can shed some more light on the topic.

Is this the same He-111 that used to be at the Combat Air Museum in Topeka in the 80s and 90s? Seem to recall them having one that was sold off in the 90s and even flew out of Topeka

Steve Nelson · **Posted:** Thu Oct 23, 2014 1:57 pm

I think the Cavanaugh aircraft is the one that used to be in Topeka. I've heard it has some corrosion issues to be addressed before it could be returned to regular flying.

Back in the early 90s a guy from the USAF Museum restoration dept. was giving a talk at a model show in Dayton. He had a piston from a Jumo engine, and said the museum had recovered a pair from the wreck of an He-111 in a Norwegian fjord with the intent of "backdating" their CASA 2.111 to He-111 configuration. I last saw the plane in a storage hangar back in the late 90s. I don't know where it's stashed these days, but I haven't heard anything about restoration plans for it in decades.

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airnutz · **Posted:** Thu Oct 23, 2014 2:15 pm

Steve Nelson wrote:

I think the Cavanaugh aircraft is the one that used to be in Topeka. I've heard it has some corrosion issues to be addressed before it could be returned to regular flying.

One of the Cavanaugh folks said a couple of years ago here that the 2.111 is too rare to risk flying anymore, IIRC.

Scooby · **Joined:** Sun Apr 13, 2014 2:45 pm **Posts:** 142

No one has mentioned this, the one lost by the CAF was one of the Spanish models and was used in the Battle of Britain film.

airnutz · **Posted:** Fri Oct 24, 2014 12:03 am

Scooby wrote:

No one has mentioned this, the one lost by the CAF was one of the Spanish models and was used in the Battle of Britain film.

As was the Cavanaugh example..

airnutz · **Posted:** Fri Oct 24, 2014 12:26 am

Ed Likes wrote:

I just watched the Battle of Britian Movie with a buddy last night. The movie being done in 1969 it looked like there were real Heinkel's in some of the scenes. Today 2014 Im unaware of any Heinkel's anywhere in the world either being flown or being restored to flying condition. The last one I knew of was lost a few years ago by the CAF.
So my question is two fold what became of the Heinkel's used in the movie Battle of Britian, and is there an organization or individual restoring one to flying condition? Also did Connie Edwards sell the Mustang to the Eureopean that bought all his other aircraft recently? Thanks in advance.

Sorry Ed, we kinda got off track a bit, none are currently flying in the world but there are several reputed to be in various stages being prepared or in line to be returned to flight. From what I recall just about any remaining CASA 2.111'S could have been one of the 32 participants of the type in the film.
The Axis Classic Wings website relates there is a He 111 being restored to fly in Austria which will have part of a 2.111 nose grafted on to it. Website to follow, the CASA survivors are listed in the German Heinkel section as well....
http://axis.classicwings.com

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DoraNineFan · **Joined:** Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:37 pm **Posts:** 672

airnutz wrote:

Ed Likes wrote:

I just watched the Battle of Britian Movie with a buddy last night. The movie being done in 1969 it looked like there were real Heinkel's in some of the scenes. Today 2014 Im unaware of any Heinkel's anywhere in the world either being flown or being restored to flying condition. The last one I knew of was lost a few years ago by the CAF.
So my question is two fold what became of the Heinkel's used in the movie Battle of Britian, and is there an organization or individual restoring one to flying condition? Also did Connie Edwards sell the Mustang to the Eureopean that bought all his other aircraft recently? Thanks in advance.

Sorry Ed, we kinda got off track a bit, none are currently flying in the world but there are several reputed to be in various stages being prepared or in line to be returned to flight. From what I recall just about any remaining CASA 2.111'S could have been one of the 32 participants of the type in the film.
The Axis Classic Wings website relates there is a He 111 being restored to fly in Austria which will have part of a 2.111 nose grafted on to it. Website to follow, the CASA survivors are listed in the German Heinkel section as well....
http://axis.classicwings.com

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I wish there was current information on the He 111 rebuild in Austria. Just the brief mention on the Preserved Axis site.

I always wondered if the Jumo 211s being rebuilt in Dirk Bende's shop were for the machine in Austria or for Paul Allen's example.

Left Seat · **Joined:** Thu Feb 13, 2014 5:44 pm **Posts:** 151

Scooby wrote:

No one has mentioned this, the one lost by the CAF was one of the Spanish models and was used in the Battle of Britain film.

CASA 2.111F (cn 118) (N72615) was at one time the personal transport plane of Spanish dictator, general Francisco Franco.

July 10. 2003, the American Heritage Flying Museum's 1952 CASA 2.111F was en route to the Montana Airfest 2003 airshow from Midland, TX.

"The plane was on final approach <to the Cheyenne Municipal Airport, Cheyenne, Wyo> when the pilot reported an engine failure. After impacting the ground, it skidded into the Laramie County Independent School District school bus wash facility. The pilot (Neil R. Stamp) and copilot (Charles Stephen Bates), the only occupants of the airplane, were killed. Both the building and plane were destroyed by the post- accident fire."

The Spanish built Heinkel was based in Mesa, Ariz., and operated by the Arizona Wing of the CAF.

Interesting YouTube video here on the CAF CASA 2.111F:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZd9Ocmg0tw

http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?do=main.textpost&id=93788ac9-1b2c-4472-a5ff-1c8dc9b08249

hurricane_yank · **Joined:** Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:33 pm **Posts:** 434

Shame they lost that one. You used to be able to see the wings in the one hanger at the USAFM - that was in the late 90's, been MIA since.

DoraNineFan · **Joined:** Fri Aug 12, 2005 3:37 pm **Posts:** 672

TriangleP wrote:

DoraNineFan wrote:

I always wondered if the Jumo 211s being rebuilt in Dirk Bende's shop were for the machine in Austria or for Paul Allen's example.

Great pic of the Jumo in progress. Just conjecture on my part, but could this Austrian restoration be a Paul Allen project? It has some of the hallmarks of an Allen project: detailed restoration to an original configuration of a difficult subject including original engine types; challenging reconstruction; last but not least, a reeeeeelllly slow schedule. Its been a project since the early 2000s. Allen is not adverse to using overseas restoration shops either. Finally, no info on progress or updates except for a few single shots.

Is there any information about the 111's ownership? A google search turns up old info on WIX and the Aviation Forum but nothing else. A lack of info or another Allen project?

Two different aircraft. The Austrian example is a partial German airframe.

PeterA · **Posted:** Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:36 pm

Tablada c.April 1968. Image by Simon Morrison.

22 Heinkels in the frame.

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