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Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:34 pm
Always interesting what's still 'out there' to be found. I won't be surprised if someday some of those Burma spitfires are found as well. Keep digging folks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSDAonD_udo"23 October 2014 members of the 'Museum Deelen Airbase' near Arnhem found a Messerschmitt 262 in a farm field near Deelen airbase, Arnhem in the Netherlands. This 262 was shot down on the 12 of September 1944 near the village Elden. The pilot Uffz. Schauder was killed. The Germans took the wreckage to Deelen. They dumped the plane in a bomb crater to hide it. This 262 was the first jet ever to crash in the Netherlands".
Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:40 pm
Unit: l.KG-51
Cause: Shot down by flak
Wk Nr: 130126
A/C ID: 9K+AL
Pilot: Uffz Herbert Schauder
Date: September 12, 1944
Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:04 pm
Great , Cool Video Mark A ! The Jonny Quest theme song kept playing in my head as I watched!
Mon Oct 27, 2014 3:24 pm
Wow. I agree -- there's still a LOT out there to be found and recovered. Great detective work by these guys.
Downed by flak? Would have it been a friendly fire incident as the Allies hadn't started Operation Market-Garden yet.
The other thing I noticed was how fertile the Dutch soil appears...you have nice, dark topsoil going almost a yard down. I'm so used to dealing with the red clay soil in Maryland (which is pretty nasty to dig through as well) that it looks like the topsoil you buy at a lawn & garden center by comparison.
Mon Oct 27, 2014 5:12 pm
Great find, but I guess it won't be flying by Xmas!
Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:19 pm
they should change the title too, crashed and ruined and burned and rusted warbird remains dumped into a hole recently dug up....lol
Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:29 pm
thanks for posting.very neat find.
Mon Oct 27, 2014 6:52 pm
Mark thanks for the post. Very cool. Who knows, maybe someday someone here will "dig" something up!
Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:04 pm
A couple weeks back a B-24J Liberator was found in the Italian mountains with crew remains. I 'm surprised no one here mentioned it.
Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:36 pm
SaxMan wrote:
Downed by flak? Would have it been a friendly fire incident as the Allies hadn't started Operation Market-Garden yet.
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Apparently, it was. Russian front anyone?
Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:41 pm
Hey that's a great looking Spitfire.
O wait, sorry too soon? Well just incase anyone wondered what a buried Spitfire would look like.
Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:37 pm
my eyes popped out when I saw this post. the 1st relic found looks like the nose gear, but I can't verify
Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:18 pm
JonL wrote:SaxMan wrote:
Downed by flak? Would have it been a friendly fire incident as the Allies hadn't started Operation Market-Garden yet.
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Apparently, it was. Russian front anyone?
Didn't realize the Russkies had made it all the way to Holland in 1944.
Elden is just south of Arnhem, on the same north/south road that Market-Garden had hinged itself upon. Deelen is just to the north of Arnhem and still extant as an airbase today. My guess is the Germans moved the wreckage when Market-Garden started to make sure it didn't fall into the hands of the Allies, and then buried it to make sure it "disappeared".
Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:58 pm
Seems to be true about flak bringing it Down. Allegedly anyway.
Plenty of photos here. Slow loading website on my end though.
http://www.museumvlbdeelen.nl/me-262-fotos-opgraving/
Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:47 am
Thanks again for posting.
Does anyone know how many original 262's are still left in the world ? Do the Russians still have any ?
I always hope that at some point a large amount of warbird purchases or trades with communist countries will take place in the future to recover as many WW2 aircraft as possible that are being neglected or are in storage. The P-47 sitting outside the Chinese air museum comes to mind first.
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