Dumped Corsairs

[DaveM2]

Hello:

Again, not interested in opinions. I just want contact info.

Thanks,

Chris

Post on here, you'll get opinions....just because you aren't interested , doesn't mean the rest of us aren't....it is after all a 'discussion forum'

Dave

I was encouraging the folks in the discussion to stay on track to the original point, so that good conclusions could be drawn..

Thanks,

Chris

It is arguable that some would have good metal if by chance they were in a certain type of sand with good cathodic characteristics. Given the number of aircraft reported --800. Chances are that there is one good plane.

The main thing is - who can afford to raise 800 aircraft to find that one possible good one? Its hardly an economically sound prospect.

Unfortunately.

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[Jeffrey]

I always wonder what was going through the minds of people having to do things like dump those aircraft overboard. with how some crew chiefs get attached to their airframes I sometimes wonder if there weren't some who tried to prevent it.

[gazav]

I notice that a gentleman - "Harvard IV" was looking for me in relation to the recovery of aircraft Corsair/Harvard, off the coast of QLD, Australia. Anyone still in touch with him, please pass on my email: kamhuber@gmail.com
Gary Camm

[gazav]

Chris, Not sure if you are still on this site. Happened to come across an old post of yours, in relation to recovery of dumped Corsairs in Australia. Apparently you wanted my contact details.

Regards: Gary Camm
kamhuber@gmail.com

[camshaw]

any links to pictures?

[bdk]

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This is Chris' new profile. You can PM him there.

Chris, Not sure if you are still on this site. Happened to come across an old post of yours, in relation to recovery of dumped Corsairs in Australia. Apparently you wanted my contact details.

Regards: Gary Camm
kamhuber@gmail.com

[Noha307]

Another comment: I don't think the U.S. Navy has jurisdiction in Australian waters. In addition if they are in Australian waters. Austrailian ownership would go into effect based on maritime and territorial laws. Ie. They were the Navy's planes, but since they are on so and so's property to bad so sad...

I don't think it works that way. The Navy's position is based on the precedent established by shipwrecks. The policy on shipwrecks is that they are the ownership of the government that operated them in perpetuity. For example, Germany maintains control of all of the German u-boats from WWII as the successor state. Takes this quote from an article on the discovery of a u-boat on the Eastern Seaboard:

NOAA said the German government still owns the U-boat and has asked the United States to protect the site. The U.S. recognizes German ownership and has pledged its protection, NOAA said.

Unless you have a record of that particular aircraft being given up (e.g a bill of sale), not to mention an unbroken record of ownership since then, then I think you're the one that would be out of luck.

Dude I was in the Airdale Navy and a mechanic for years. When they go in the Sea stick a fork in them because they are done. Even if you pull them right out it is almost impossible to arest the cemical reaction that results in corrosion. While in the service a H-3 went in and was upside down still floating, we pulled it out and opened the panels and flushed it with fresh water but you can't get all of the salt out. It gets between the ribs, stringers, skin , and Lap joints and just sarts eat'in.

I have to second this, I heard a story from our museum president that just so happens to be about a Corsair ending up in salt water. IIRC, the short version is he had engine trouble and landed just short of the runway - which happened to be in the ocean near the beach. They ended up building a coffer dam and hauling the plane back to the hangar and started immediately hosing it down. Even with a restored, airworthy plane they weren't able to prevent the corrosion. They had the exact same problems with the hard to reach areas that Broken-Wrench describes above.

The one chance you might have is if a) you were going for static display, and b) you had access to some serious conservation equipment. Just look at what it's taking the RAF Museum to save that Do 17.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand I just realized I replied to a post from 2004. Whatever. I still think it's a pretty good explanation on the subject, if I do say so myself!

[Rick65]

Check out the Meier Motors thread for photos of the resurrection of the 190 that went into the ocean off France.
Looks to be deep restoration and that was new and only in for a short time.

[zorro9]

Harvard IV:

Good Day!

There were some pics in Wix awhile ago of some Aussie a/c recoveries. Poss F4Us. Poss Brisbane area. When I find 'em I'll post some for your view. There were not in the best of shape but they were auctioned off to customers all over the world!! More info/data later on.

p.s There is another place close by with some poss samples for you. MCAS Ewa Beach, near Pearl Harbor. Some posted in Wix c. 2014 under "Naval a/c scrapyard in Hawaii 1945. Pic included.Photo via Wix