Texas Flying Legends ground collision- no injuries.

TAdan · **Posted:** Mon Mar 21, 2016 6:55 am

There is a Zero nearing completion in Washington at Legend Flyers. I'm sure they'd have the knowledge to fabricate and assemble another tail.

Red Tail · **Joined:** Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:56 pm **Posts:** 138

Matt Gunsch wrote:

marine air wrote:

Maybe it's time to park most of these old birds. I would guess the damage to the Corsair to be $200k and on the Zero at $700K , maybe more.Did you notice the ripple in the side of the fuselage, the twisted tailwheel assembly , the cuts through the horizontals and the disentegrated vertical fin, rudder, and elevators? THose aircraft were rebuilt in Russia 25 plus years ago. Good luck finding someone that can read the russian translations of the japanese blueprints in the U.S. I think it'll be down a couple years or more.

That Zero was made in Canada,they have all the drawings and if it was made once, it can be repaired. the amount of damage is to be expected as the skin on a Zero is about as thick as the skin on a Cessna.

And there are parts for two more ready and waiting to be built...plus all the tooling Blade created. TFL would be wise to just buy the lot and have it on hand...maybe even build a second one. My guess is this is where the parts will come from to repair this airframe. The question remains, who has time to do it inside the timeframe quoted. Seems like most of the resto shops are beyond capacity right now.

John

RobC · **Posted:** Mon Mar 21, 2016 2:02 pm

I feel very bad for the Corsair pilot. I am sure no one feels worse than he does.

No one gets up in the morning thinking, "I think I'll have a taxi accident today."

BAJ · **Joined:** Wed Jan 25, 2012 3:14 pm **Posts:** 126

RobC wrote:

I feel very bad for the Corsair pilot. I am sure no one feels worse than he does.

No one gets up in the morning thinking, "I think I'll have a taxi accident today."

Couldn't agree more....the saddest thing about it is that it was so preventable either by way of proper supervised marshalling of the aircraft or using easily available technology like some sort of mini TV camera on top of the aircraft tail where forward visibility is an issue for the pilot (its a left field suggestion and just a thought)

Matt Gunsch · **Posted:** Tue Mar 22, 2016 5:40 am

BAJ wrote:

RobC wrote:

I feel very bad for the Corsair pilot. I am sure no one feels worse than he does.

No one gets up in the morning thinking, "I think I'll have a taxi accident today."

Couldn't agree more....the saddest thing about it is that it was so preventable either by way of proper supervised marshalling of the aircraft or using easily available technology like some sort of mini TV camera on top of the aircraft tail where forward visibility is an issue for the pilot (its a left field suggestion and just a thought)

And who will foot the bill to get it approved by the faa ?where would they put the display ? On the panel ? That is the last place i want someone looking when a plane is in motion on the ground. How about dune buggy flags attached to the fin ? The best thing is for the pilot to remember is that there is another plane in front of him.

Red Tail · **Joined:** Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:56 pm **Posts:** 138

BAJ wrote:

RobC wrote:

I feel very bad for the Corsair pilot. I am sure no one feels worse than he does.

No one gets up in the morning thinking, "I think I'll have a taxi accident today."

Couldn't agree more....the saddest thing about it is that it was so preventable either by way of proper supervised marshalling of the aircraft or using easily available technology like some sort of mini TV camera on top of the aircraft tail where forward visibility is an issue for the pilot (its a left field suggestion and just a thought)

I've now heard several people lay blame this incident on marshalling. Has its’ root cause been identified as a marshalling inadequacy? I've heard a second hand account from a credible source which indicates no such cause was at hand.

John

Ryan Harris · **Posted:** Tue Mar 22, 2016 8:45 am

Matt Gunsch wrote:

I've now heard several people lay blame this incident on marshalling. Has its’ root cause been identified as a marshalling inadequacy? I've heard a second hand account from a credible source which indicates no such cause was at hand.

John

From the photos I saw, it looked like they were near the runway just before the hold short line, which would mean no marshaling (and it would be that way at any airport in America). They were in the process of departing Midland when it happened.

Red Tail · **Joined:** Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:56 pm **Posts:** 138

Ryan Harris wrote:

Matt Gunsch wrote:

I've now heard several people lay blame this incident on marshalling. Has its’ root cause been identified as a marshalling inadequacy? I've heard a second hand account from a credible source which indicates no such cause was at hand.

John

From the photos I saw, it looked like they were near the runway just before the hold short line, which would mean no marshaling (and it would be that way at any airport in America). They were in the process of departing Midland when it happened.

Which is accurate to what I was told. Pilot was advised to hold and for whatever reason released brakes...nothing left at that point but weeping and gnashing of teeth. Both airplanes are repairable and Warrens flight suit is probably already at the laundry.

This appears to be the second incidence of inattentiveness this season that ended poorly and it’s only late March. Guys, be careful out there not only for your own wellbeing but, the restoration shops are at capacity and booked out….

John

Matt Gunsch · **Posted:** Tue Mar 22, 2016 1:27 pm

Red Tail,
If you are going to use quotes, make sure they were posted by who you say they were, I never said what you quoted me as saying

Ryan Harris · **Posted:** Tue Mar 22, 2016 2:37 pm

He didn't quote you, Matt. I quoted Red Tail (John) and for whatever reason it said it was your quote, however I made sure to leave John's name attached to his quote to avoid any confusion.

Sorry about that.

Red Tail · **Joined:** Mon Jan 31, 2011 5:56 pm **Posts:** 138

Matt Gunsch wrote:

Red Tail,
If you are going to use quotes, make sure they were posted by who you say they were, I never said what you quoted me as saying

I noticed it was doing that as well and didn't understand why, or know how to correct the issue. I thought it was some kind of software bug or something. Sorry if this negatively implicated you in any way.

Ryan, thank you for clearing this up.

John

maxum96 · **Posted:** Wed Mar 23, 2016 8:38 am

Matt Gunsch wrote:

That Zero was made in Canada,they have all the drawings and if it was made once, it can be repaired.

Exactly.

Richard W. · **Posted:** Wed Mar 23, 2016 9:10 am

Same thing happened to Koga's Zero after they had run it through the testing process.

Got "eaten" in a taxi accident.

bdk · **Joined:** Sun May 02, 2004 1:16 am **Posts:** 11324

I'm sure Bob Diemert has the information to adapt a Harvard tail to repair the damage.... :-P

Chris Brame · **Posted:** Wed Mar 23, 2016 2:52 pm

Using sheet metal screws, no doubt.

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