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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2016 9:17 pm 
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Looks like the Air Zoo will get another opportunity to restore another Lake Michigan SBD. The museum will be taking delivery of a SBD-2P Dauntless this Friday at 10 a.m.

Saw the post (with photos) on the museum's Facebook page here: https://www.facebook.com/AirZoo/posts/10154431091620832

If you don't have Facebook, you should still be able to follow the link and see the pictures. No, you won't get some sort of disease by clicking on the link.

I have no clue as to the identity of this one or what the plans are for the airframe once it's restored. Anyone know? This gives the museum two Lake Michigan recoveries under restoration along with the FM-2 that will be displayed at Glenview once completed. Considering that both are the property of the Navy, I think it's great that a museum is getting an opportunity to restore them, even if it's to static condition, rather than having the airframes sit in storage.

I think I'll have to stop by the museum next time I'm in my hometown...

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:24 pm 
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Cool news for sure!

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I understand that the Naval Aviation Museum has now designated the Air Zoo as their primary restoration shop. They're going to be scaling back restoration work at Pensacola because the shop there in on the active part of the base. After the SBD-2 is finished, the Air Zoo is supposed to get the SB2C that was hauled out of a California reservoir a few years back. I'm really looking forward to that one!

I'd love to go to the arrival ceremony Friday morning, but I'll be stuck at work (not 15 minutes away!) :x

Oh, and I was taking to a guy on the restoration crew for the FM-2 last week. It's going to be displayed at Navy Pier, apparently hung from the ceiling. Since it's going to be a static display and a hanging one at that, they're thinking of leaving out a lot of the internal equipment to save weight, time, and effort. The guy told me the only Navy's only restoration requirements are that it's complete and looks good from the outside, the wings fold, and the gear retracts.

Disclaimer: all this is just what I've been told by various folks who volunteer at the museum..none the info came from official sources so I can't vouch for its accuracy.


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Where does the Navy keep the unrestored ac that have been pulled from the lake?
Are they undercover...or hopefully, in a warehouse.

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When was that one recovered?


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JohnB wrote:
Where does the Navy keep the unrestored ac that have been pulled from the lake?
Are they undercover...or hopefully, in a warehouse.


They are kept at Pensacola NAS at the restoration hangar/ramp.

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Negative.....they are in a warehouse in NASP, not outside in the weather.
The exception to that is the SB2C. It is outside.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 6:42 am 
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Anybody knows the BuAer for that SBD-2P ?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:40 am 
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FYI The Navy has very stringent restoration requirement. Please do not spread things you have no to little knowledge of, with or without a disclaimer.

As for SBD-2P 2173:

Douglas Dauntless Dive-Bomber SBD-2P Bureau Number 2173
The Douglas Dauntless Dive-Bomber Bureau Number SBD-2P 2173, an historic World War II Navy aircraft built by Douglas
Aircraft Company1 and once thought lost forever in Lake Michigan, will soon begin a very important phase of her long history.
This aircraft has been transferred to the Kalamazoo Aviation History Museum to undergo a full expert restoration over the
next several years. This rescue effort that was begun by Mr. Fred Turner, the former Chief Executive Office and Honorary Chairman of the
Board of McDonald's, will soon end with a triumphant return of the SBD-2P, U.S. Navy Bureau Number 2173, to its former glory.
The Early/ War History of SBD-2P 2173
An early version of the Dauntless4, Bureau Number 2173 was delivered to the Navy as an SBD-2P photo-reconnaissance
version, of which only 14 were built. It boasts a most interesting history with a few twists and turns. The aircraft’s history card
notes its acceptance by the Navy in 1941, and assignment to Scouting Squadron (VS) 6 in the aircraft carrier Enterprise (CV
6). During its tour with this squadron, the aircraft experienced its first mishap when its main gear collapsed during a landing,
damaging the wings. Assigned to Commander, Battle Force aircraft pool at San Diego in August 1941, Bureau Number 2173
was in California on the “Day of Infamy” on 7 December 1941, but the following month found itself assigned to another aircraft
pool at Pearl Harbor. It is here that the record-keeping for the aircraft goes astray. While one page of the aircraft history card
indicates assignment to Scouting Squadron (VS) 5 in March 1942, the section of the card that details “Trouble Reports” related
to the plane’s service bears the entry “Strike. Crashed at sea. Plane sank immediately.” The station noted for this mishap is the
aircraft carrier Hornet (CV 8), and a look at the ship’s war diary and aircraft accident reports from the era reveal that on 21 April
1942, an SBD Dauntless made a hard-water landing in the Pacific, the force of the crash causing the plane to sink quickly with
the loss of its crew, Lieutenant Gardner D. Randall and Radioman Second Class Thomas A. Gallagher. Though the war diary
indicated that the aircraft was an SBD-3, the aircraft accident report identifies the aircraft lost as SBD-2 (Bureau Number 2173).
Despite the fact that the aircraft was recorded lost at sea, the history card of Bureau Number 2173 continues as normal,
listing assignment to Bombing Squadron (VB) 5 after the Battle of the Coral Sea followed by time in Carrier Aircraft Service
Unit (CASU) 1 and Marine Aircraft Group (MAG) 21. On 1 July 1942, the custody changes to Marine Scout Bombing Squadron
(VMSB) 233, which coincided with another entry made in the Trouble Report section of the aircraft’s history card—“Request
plane be reinstated.” In the frantic pace of wartime operations, the SBD lost while operating from Hornet had evidently been
erroneously identified as Bureau Number 2173 when further research reveals that in fact it was likely Bureau Number 2179 that
was lost. Now “resurrected” from the depths of the Pacific, Bureau Number 2173 remained with VMSB-233 until November
1942, a month before the squadron departed for service on Guadalcanal.
Additional documentation confuses the issue even more, specifically relating to the airplane’s service at the Battle of the Coral
Sea. The history card states that the airplane was shipped from Commander, Battle Force at San Diego on 3 January 1942, and
was not received by Commander, Battle Force at Pearl Harbor until 6 March 1942. It was recorded as being shipped to VS-5
that same day. If these dates are accurate, the airplane could not have been on board Yorktown (CV 5) at Coral Sea because
the carrier with VS-5 embarked had departed Pearl Harbor on 14 February 1942. However, according to email correspondence
from a number of respected aviation historians and researchers provided by the Pacific Aviation Museum, other official Navy
records contradict the history card. Specifically, Commander, Battle Force records point to the fact that Bureau Number 2173
was loaded aboard Yorktown when she stopped at San Diego en route to the Pacific (she arrived on 30 December 1941 and
departed on 6 January 1942). It was kept aboard as cargo during the ship’s participation in her first combat raids and then
assigned to VS-5 through the Battle of the Coral Sea. The above seems plausible, especially with the confusion surrounding
Bureau Number 2173’s service. Once the actual pages from the Commander, Battle Force records are received, this part of
Bureau Number 2173’s history can be confirmed.
See Appendix A for SBD 2173 historical documents.
It is unlikely that Bureau Number 2173 served during the Battle of Midway. All carrier-based bombing and scouting squadrons
were equipped with SBD-3s during that battle.
1 "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Aircraft_Company#World_War_II"
2 "www.airzoo.org", "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Zoo"
3 "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_L._Turner"
4 "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_SBD_Dauntless"
The Loss of the Aircraft
With the more advanced SBD-5 version of the Dauntless ready to join the fleet in early 1943, Bureau Number 2173’s days of
front-line squadron service were over, the remainder of its time in service spent rotating between Naval Air Stations (NAS)
Jacksonville, San Diego, and Glenview, its service at the latter station beginning in April 1943 as part of the Carrier Qualification
Training Unit (CQTU) operating on board the training carriers Wolverine (IX 64) and Sable (IX 81) in Lake Michigan. As Lake
Michigan aircraft go, Bureau Number 2173 led a charmed life given the fact that in its cockpit were recently winged naval
aviators learning how to perform one of the most difficult tasks in all of aviation—landing an aircraft on a moving ship. The
airplane operated accident free for nine months in the CQTU until 18 February 1944. On this day, Lieutenant (junior grade)
John Lendo was on approach for a carrier landing when the engine of Bureau Number 2173 began to lose RPMs before
completely stopping, the presumed result of carburetor icing. Lt. J.G. Lendo was not injured in the crash.
See Appendix B for the Lake Michigan accident documents.
John Lendo, a Massachusetts native and graduate of Dartmouth College, had over 1,600 hours of
accident free flying in his log book, the result of having served as a flight instructor at NAS Pensacola,
following his graduation from flight school in 1942. However, that changed on this winter day as he
ditched the Dauntless in the water. While the plane went to the bottom, Lendo was rescued, destined
for assignment to fly F6F Hellcats as a member of the newly established Fighting Squadron (VF) 45.
On 14 December 1944, while flying a mission from the deck of the light carrier San Jacinto (CVL 30),
Lendo was declared “missing in action” during a combat mission over the Philippines. His status was
changed to “killed in action” the following year, the aircraft he flew just months before his death is a
link to one of the lost members of the “Greatest Generation.”
See Appendix C for a biography of Lieutenant John Lendo.
The Recovery of SBD-2P 2173
During the 1990s, A and T Recovery located SBD 2173 resting on the bottom of Lake Michigan in about 250 feet of water.
On 06/19/09 A and T Recovery lifted her from Lake Michigan on behalf of the Pacific Aviation Museum, Pearl Harbor, Hawaii.

The museum had receive a generous donation to support the locating, recovery, restoration, and presentation of the aircraft
from Fred Turner. Mr. Turner made the donation in honor of his longtime friend Admiral James “Jig Dog” Ramage.
A Hawaiian ceremony was performed during the lift-out to honor the aircraft’s history, which included time stationed at Pearl
Harbor, and its likely future home back in Hawaii.



Restoration of SBD 2173
Under an agreement between the Pacific Aviation Museum and the Naval Aviation Museum Foundation, SBD 2173 was to
undergo an extensive restoration soon after she was recovered. However, the restoration did not occur as a result of soon
unforeseen circumstances.
When SBD 2173 was recovered from Lake Michigan in 2009, the plan was to immediately bring it to the Restoration
Department of the National Naval Aviation Museum in Pensacola, Florida for restoration. The estimated time required for
restoration was 3-5 years. Upon completion of restoration the aircraft was to be shipped to the Pacific Aviation Museum for
display. Another restored SBD was shipped for display until 2173 was finished.
However, after the aircraft arrived in Pensacola, the Navy History and Heritage Command (NHHC) determined that there
were contamination issues in the Restoration Facility as a result of Navy activities in the facility before the Museum occupied
the restoration facilities. NHHC required that the restoration area occupied by the Museum be cleaned to medical standards.
NHHC would not fund the clean-up so the Naval Aviation Museum Foundation provided funding in an attempt to maintain
the capability to repair, conserve, or restore Museum aircraft. The process caused the shutdown of the restoration facility
for over a year. At the time of shutdown, the restoration facility was staffed by approximately 65 volunteers and a few paid
personnel. As a result of the shutdown, the Restoration Department permanently lost most of its volunteer labor force. The
2173 restoration cost estimate, which was based primarily upon the use of volunteer labor went from $300,000 to $1,200,000
and the Foundation could no longer accomplish the restoration.
The Kalamazoo Aviation History Museum, located in Kalamazoo, MI, has stepped forward to complete the restoration. The
museum, more commonly known as the Air Zoo, has a long, successful history of restoring aircraft and spacecraft from the
Smithsonian, NASA, and the US Navy. More specifically, the Air Zoo completed the full restoration of an SBD-3 Dauntless that
was recovered after being on the bottom of Lake Michigan for nearly fifty years.

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Well said, sir!


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http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/ind ... recov.html

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I saw this plane at Pensacola a day or two after it arrived. I wondered where it went after that.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 7:22 pm 
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Taras,
Excellent detail and information, thank you for posting that! :supz:
Are you (A&T) looking for or working on other Lake Michigan aircraft recoveries?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 4:55 pm 
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Yes, we are.

Museums that wish to get Lake Michigan aircraft need to step forward and let the Navy know. If those museums want to know where to sent their requests they can send me an e-mail at TarasAtSea@AOL.com I will let them know who are the correct people in the Navy they should be talking with.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:44 pm 
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Hi Taras,
I think I got an automated response to my PMs; so just in case, do you have the BuNos/N-number of the FH-1 Phantom, two F9F Cougars and the civilian AT-6 that were lost in Lake Michigan near Chicago in the '40s and '50s?

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