Indestructible-book on Pappy Gunn

[maxum96]

I just got done reading Indestructible about Pappy Gunn. I couldn't put it down. I knew a little bit about Pappy before reading the book. But I had no idea the extent of Pappy's involvement in actual combat and and flying in the Pacific. And this was after he was 40 years old and had already retired from the Navy. The man was an incredible asset to the Allies in the Pacific Theater in many ways beyond his gun ship modifications to the A-20 and B-25. His flying of B-17's, B-25's, A-20's and other aircraft without any type specific training is pretty impressive. I recommend it to any military or aviation buff. I got my hardback copy at Costco for $15.

[Scott Rose]

I'll have to keep an eye out for it.

[CraigQ]

Pappy Gunn was a legend in the 5thAF. You can also read about him in the Steve Birdsall book 'Flying Buccanners'. Pappys son Nathaniel also wrote a book about his dad titled 'Pappy Gunn' that includes a lot of copies of telegrams & reports pertaining to Pappy. His driving force was to defeat the Japanese as fast as possible to rescue his wife from the Japanese in the Philippines.

[Saville]

I just got online with my local library and requested the book. It's in the network so it'll arrive from another library in a day or so.

Easy and cheap way to get a book that's hard to find otherwise.

[Stoney]

costgo has it

[Jesse C.]

I just got my copy at Costco. Just reading the Preface you know you are heading for a wild read!

[Ken]

I just got online with my local library and requested the book. It's in the network so it'll arrive from another library in a day or so.

Easy and cheap way to get a book that's hard to find otherwise.

Brilliant suggestion, I just did the same!

Ken

[Richard W.]

On Amazon too.

I'm probably going to get the audio book.

https://www.amazon.com/Indestructible-R ... structible

[Lynn Allen]

I picked it up on kindle last night...

[tom d. friedman]

i've read up on him many times. definetely full of piss & vinegar, & balls of steel. his exploits are legendary to say the least. if i recall correctly, he got his teeth knocked out from his early experiments with the 75mm cannon recoil in his b-25.

[maxum96]

if i recall correctly, he got his teeth knocked out from his early experiments with the 75mm cannon recoil in his b-25.

According to the book, he got his teeth knocked out while his plane was being hoisted back on to a ship (during his Navy days pre WWII) and a swell caused the aircraft to be knocked into the side of the ship and Pappy hit the instrument panel.

[Michel Lemieux]

Got the book from this post and it finally got on top to finally read it.

Took 3 days...while working.

Utterly recommended period....seriously! Gives you a totally different aspect to the Pacific air war. Makes you realise how much my own life and experience pales compared to the greatest generation ever.

Tks for the tip guys.....what should be next on my reading list???? I really enjoyed Fly Boys, I Never Will be so Lucky Again and Erich Hartmann biography. Those books fall under my good WW2 aviation reads.

A good writer makes a good story. Please pitch in with your favorites.

Also just finished V-2 by Walter Dorberger if you can find it....pretty good read: https://www.amazon.com/V-2-Bantam-book-Walter-Dornberger/dp/0553126601

[JOMiller]

Pappy is buried at Barrancus National Cemetery aboard NASP if anyone wants to pay their last respects.

[ALOHADAVE]

As I Remember Pappy Gunn and the B-25 from another pilot:
As we were filing a clearance to return to our station, Col. Gunn walked into Opera­tions and asked for the crew of the 38th Bomb Group B-25 parked nearest to Opera­tions and due to leave that day. We iden­tified it as our aircraft and Col. Gunn stated in no uncertain terms he expected that airplane, 2500 pounds of gun mounts. 12 mechanics from the 38th BG, their baggage, tool kits AND us to be off his base before noon. We protested the airplane could not hold all that stuff, but Gunn ignored our comments, and Base Operations personnel assured us "What Col. Gunn wants, Col. Gunn gets--and we had better "git".
With a frantic effort, transportation was found for 10 mechanics and their baggage on a C-47. The rest of the material and our crew had to fit into that B-25. When the last tool box was squeezed on board, the tail of the aircraft started down as the nose wheel lifted from the parking ramp. The crew was certain the plane could not get off the ground with that load, particularly since because of runway repair the last 1,000 feet was unavailable. We were again reminded everything HAD to go and that "Pappy" often flew with a tail heavy aircraft--just loaded the back end while engines were run­ning which kept the tail from going down. We were also informed EVERYONE used the shortened runway with heavily laden air-craft, and as we had a wind in our favor, no problem!

As I taxied out for take-off, the airplane seemed heavy, the runway extremely short and my position in life most perilous. On the bright side, here was a chance to emulate Jimmy Doolittle's aircraft carrier takeoff. With full throttle, flaps up and cowl flap cracked open a little, I released the brakes for a "Tokyo Raid take-off"--but we didn't fly off the runway as expected--we just rolled along. I called for flaps as we approached the break in the runway and pulled the airplane into the air to avoid the broken spot; however, the plane settled back down on the runway and it took the last 1,000 feet to get airborne again and we slowly gained altitude. At Pappy Gunn's insistence, we pulled a "hot pilot" stunt and had lived through it.

Stories about Gunn were legion. He liked to work on airplanes, often as boss mechanic on a repair or modification job. Having broken his right little finger, he had it set at the hospital with a splint. The splint got in the way as he worked on an engine, so he removed it. The finger healed crooked and bothered Gunn's holding the throttle of an airplane or a wrench or putting his hand in his pocket. He had the finger re-broke and reset, again with a splint--and again it prov­ed so troublesome, he removed it. Back at the hospital he asked that the finger be removed. The staff agreed to fix the finger but would not amputate, whereupon Gunn reportedly cut it off with a pocket knife and had the hospital tidy up. (Legend?--perhaps--but the finger WAS missing.)

Gunn's contributions to the war effort were exceptional. It was he who installed 4 forward firing 50-caliber guns in the nose plus 2 in packets on each side. He also tried 30 water cooled 30's in the bomb bay pointed down to strafe troops in slit trenchs, vibration loosed the skin around the bomb bay dictating abandonment. The first package guns were belt fed from racks inside, barrell ends behind the props. Test fire peeled skin from the fuselage around the guns, the under wing and inner portion of the engine nacell--Gunn corrected that by extending blast tubes beyond the props. First used in the Bismarck Sea , it was a spectacular sucess. Half of the B-25s used as low level bombers, (first called "masthead" later, "skip' bombing) were modified with 8 forward firing .50 caliber guns, but the 38th planes had only one flexable gun in the nose (navigator manned), and a few with a 50 cal pilot- fired. With such a limited armament, the B-25s followed Aussie Beaufighters for strafing pass protection on their bomb runs.

The strafing configuration made the B-25 a most formidable weapon giving it a new lease on life despite it's relative short range. Again Gunn came to the fore-since25s were now low level strafers/bombers, he reasoned they did not need a lower turret. It was removed and a large steel fuel tank was hung from a bomb shackle fixed to the ceiling. The main tanks were refilled from this auxillary source and that tank jettisoned just before reaching the target area. This made possible the Wewak raids in mid-March "44, breaking the back of the Japanese air force in New Guinea--they had not anticipated B-25s could reach Wewak and most of their planes were caught on the ground. The system was messy with fumes permeating the fuselage as the tank tore away from the hose fittings, and it was breezy with an open hole in the floor, but it was a spectacular sucess, as witnessed by Gunn installed cameras in B-25 tails, turned on by the pilot after dropping his bombs, resulting in some of the war's most dramatic strike photos.

As a strafer with 500 rounds of ammo per gun in the nose, the center of gravity shifted forward. Gunn reportedly received a wire from Wright Field stating the modification was dangerous and the planes should be grounded. Legend has it Pappy wired back, "Put center of gravity in storage for the duration--we have a war to fight" However some precautions were necessary including keeping the nose wheel on the runway to 120 MPH instead of the usual 80 or 90, and making turns at 170 instead of 120.

Gunn was the first to put the 75 MM in the nose of a B-25. He flew the modified cannon on a raid with the 3rd, his old Group and hit the fire control unit of a Japanese destroyer which required it's guns to be controlled individually and ineffectively. The ship was then sunk with a 1000 pound bomb altho Gunn insisted in all official proclamations that he had sunk it with an airborne 75MM. In any case, the incident sold the army on developing the B-25G.

A special purpose weapon, the G was particularly effective against small boats, barge traffic, buildings and fuel depots. Even with an inexperienced navigator as a loader, 3 or 4 rounds could consistantly be put in an 8' circle during a 4000 yard run, altho the manual loading in a rocking airplane was not an enviable task. ( On a test with an army ordinance specialist, Grover got nine shots away on a simulated run emphasizing how crucial was loader ability.)

When Pappy put a 75 in a P-38, his test pilots all disappeared . However he test fired it on the ground and found the P-38 could not take the recoil--even B-25s lost 5 mile per hour momentarily when the gun was fired and an a crew member with his arm on an open side window ledge would have arm hair singed.

The B-25G's capacity as a strafer was more limited than other models since it had to fire at a greater distance from the target . In a strafing run, the regular strafer presented a 3-dimensional target until the nose was pointed at the target when it could out shoot the target with it's huge gun cluster. With a 75Mm, with in range to start firing at a destroyer, the destroyer had more guns than the attacker. As a special purpose weapon, the G could not serve general strafer purposes as could B-25cs and D'.

B-25 strafers destroyed sea traffic, stopped barge traffic and destroyed a large segment of the Japanese Air Force on the ground during the battle for New Guinea--a "loser" that turned into a great success thanks to Pappy Gunn's ingenuity and the diligence of the crews and support echelons.

[Jollygreenslugg]

A fascinating read.

It's worth remembering the hundreds of Aussies who were seconded from the RAAF to serve with the 5th AF in the heady early days of the Pacific War. I was fortunate enough to know one such man, and he lived with us for the last few years of his life before he passed away in 2002. Maurice Carse was a fascinating man, and looking at the tall, young man in the picture, one can see a glimpse of the depth of the man I knew in his eighties. Sadly, his last months weren't fun, but he retained a sense of dignity to the end.

A good man, sorely missed. Once the co-pilot of B-25C 41-13088 "Chatter Box", awarded the US DFC for crippling the IJN Arashio during the Battle of the Bismarck Sea, he was a humble man, with a gentle nature and a great sense of justice and humour. RIP.

Cheers,
Matt

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