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Amelia Earhart should have flown a Vindicator instead ...

Fri Aug 02, 2019 7:30 pm

Vought SB2U-2 Vindicator (BuNo. 1352) VB-2, in experimental McClelland Barclay camouflage design No. 5, 22 Aug. 1940 (NAS) North Island.

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Re: Amelia Earhart should have flown a Vindicator instead ..

Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:13 pm

I think even Gillespee could find that one!

Re: Amelia Earhart should have flown a Vindicator instead ..

Sat Aug 03, 2019 1:33 am

And here I was thinking the opposite. If she had that camouflage, they'd never find her. :wink:

Mac

Re: Amelia Earhart should have flown a Vindicator instead ..

Sat Aug 03, 2019 7:21 am

Looks somewhat like the experimental splinter camouflage aviation artist Keith Ferris designed and was tested in a few F-15s back in the 80s.

Re: Amelia Earhart should have flown a Vindicator instead ..

Sat Aug 03, 2019 9:55 am

One has to wonder what colors those were.

Re: Amelia Earhart should have flown a Vindicator instead ..

Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:06 pm

JohnB wrote:Looks somewhat like the experimental splinter camouflage aviation artist Keith Ferris designed and was tested in a few F-15s back in the 80s.

I remember those but I can't remember what they looked like. Do you suppose that was intentional?

Re: Amelia Earhart should have flown a Vindicator instead ..

Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:10 pm

One has to wonder if the enemy, upon sighting these, spend time wondering "what the fudge is that?"
Giving the vindicator time to use its speed to vacate the area.

Re: Amelia Earhart should have flown a Vindicator instead ..

Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:47 pm

JohnB wrote:Looks somewhat like the experimental splinter camouflage aviation artist Keith Ferris designed and was tested in a few F-15s back in the 80s.


It is called the Barclay scheme and I imagine Keith Ferris got his inspiration from it.

Re: Amelia Earhart should have flown a Vindicator instead ..

Sat Aug 03, 2019 3:35 pm

Clifford Bossie wrote:It is called the Barclay scheme and I imagine Keith Ferris got his inspiration from it.


I remember at one of the aviation art forums he went through the process of his "Ferris Scheme". The Barclay scheme and others were discussed but it didn't factor into his thinking. One take away I remember was he was trying to break up the outline longitudinally, not chop it up like a sausage. Also looking at the Vindicator I realize how similar it looks like a Kate.

Re: Amelia Earhart should have flown a Vindicator instead ..

Sat Aug 03, 2019 6:02 pm

I was talking to Ferris awhile ago about camouflage, and as I remember, he said he'd developed the device of painting a canopy on the belly of the aircraft.

Re: Amelia Earhart should have flown a Vindicator instead ..

Sat Aug 03, 2019 7:48 pm

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SB2U

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Tora Tora Tora AT-6/BT-13

Re: Amelia Earhart should have flown a Vindicator instead ..

Sat Aug 03, 2019 7:51 pm

I'm not quite convinced these are the colors.

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Re: Amelia Earhart should have flown a Vindicator instead ..

Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:22 pm

Mark Allen M wrote:I'm not quite convinced these are the colors.

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There has been a good amount of discussion about the colors used. Apparently some were green(ish), some blue, some gray. The schemes (and presumably colors) varied by aircraft type.

BT-1

https://www.history.navy.mil/content/hi ... 96152.html

https://www.history.navy.mil/content/hi ... 96149.html

https://www.history.navy.mil/content/hi ... 96153.html

F2A

https://www.history.navy.mil/content/hi ... 96143.html

https://www.history.navy.mil/content/hi ... 96146.html

TBD

https://www.history.navy.mil/content/hi ... 96165.html

https://www.history.navy.mil/content/hi ... 96161.html

And probably other types. There were drawings for B-18s and a really stylized twin engine type. Barclay had helped develop dazzle schemes for ships in WWI.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McClelland_Barclay

Re: Amelia Earhart should have flown a Vindicator instead ..

Sun Aug 04, 2019 5:51 am

I thought the Kate was a fairly large aircraft compared to the Vindicator; I was half right. Turns out the length was very close (B5N: 33' 10" vs SB2U: 34') but it had a larger wingspan (B5N: 50' 11" vs SB2U: 42').

Re: Amelia Earhart should have flown a Vindicator instead ..

Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:43 am

Any airplane painted as ugly as those SB2U's ought to be shot down.
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