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Perhaps it can be repaired, that AN-2 is a tough bird.

What a spectacular misjudgment by the pilot.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:33 pm 
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Joe Scheil wrote:
Perhaps it can be repaired, that AN-2 is a tough bird.

What a spectacular misjudgment by the pilot.


Doesn't look like a any prop damage. Jack it up, bolt on new gear and 90mph the wing surfaces... right as rain

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Yeah, that a little short there...


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Looks like a bit of the "incident" of the Gee Bee Racer flown by Delmar Benjamin in Germany years ago : coming a bit too low the fairing of one of the landing gear was rip off when impacting below the runway lever. Fortunately the landing gear didn't collapse and the plane was flying the next day (after removing the remaining part of the fairing)

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It looks like he hit a lip, a raised edge, at the end of the runway.

On some things, lips are great -- but not runways.


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Scott Rose wrote:
Joe Scheil wrote:
Perhaps it can be repaired, that AN-2 is a tough bird.

What a spectacular misjudgment by the pilot.


Doesn't look like a any prop damage. Jack it up, bolt on new gear and 90mph the wing surfaces... right as rain

Props look curled to me...

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RyanShort1 wrote:
Scott Rose wrote:
Joe Scheil wrote:
Perhaps it can be repaired, that AN-2 is a tough bird.

What a spectacular misjudgment by the pilot.


Doesn't look like a any prop damage. Jack it up, bolt on new gear and 90mph the wing surfaces... right as rain

Props look curled to me...


It's Russian, an sledge hammer and an anvil and they will be as good as new...

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Dave Hadfield wrote:
On some things, lips are great -- but not runways.

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It's been more years than I care to count since I flew a AN-2 so my memory may be in error, but I never saw our pilot do that shallow & high speed of an approach ( it looks like they were trying to fly it like a jet or airliner instead of a REALLY big J-3 Cub ) . I was part of the crew flying a former Polish AF AN-2 doing shows on the east coast in the late 90's and have 30-50 hours non-logged stick time ( but I would NOT do takeoffs or the final part of landings -- I know my limitations as "Clint" would say ! ). We always came in rather steep compared to other aircraft and used a good bit of flaps to slow down so you could almost dive at the runway without gaining speed. I never read the translated flight manual since I was just "aiming" the plane instead of what I would call really flying it so I don't know if we flew it "by the book". Still, unless that was a REALLY short runway, there is no reason in my option to land that close to the end, as even fully loaded we could land and stop in about 1500' ( very light during shows, the REAL pilot could almost do a no roll landing and takeoff like a Piper Cub ). It's a shame, as that was a beautiful Colt. They are built like tanks, but still I don't know if I would trust the wing attach fittings etc after that hard jolt. No offense intended towards the pilot, but as a PZL guy said in a TV documentary "It's a very forgiving airplane, except of pilot stupidity" ( I've done my fair share of "duh" things too and am luckily still here ).

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And the most important thing --- looks like no one was injured ( at least on the ground, and hopefully only the pilot's ego ).


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Scott Rose wrote:
Joe Scheil wrote:
Perhaps it can be repaired, that AN-2 is a tough bird.

What a spectacular misjudgment by the pilot.


Doesn't look like a any prop damage.


Photos show all four prop tips bent over, and leading edge damage to the wing above the oleo leg detached.


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Dave Hadfield wrote:
It looks like he hit a lip, a raised edge, at the end of the runway.


Correct.

A piece of angled concrete with red/white alternate markings at the top of the steep upslope prior to the threshold, all clearly marked in the airfield approach notes.

So, yes, pilot dropped it way too short.


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