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Re: Cheyenne Modification Center, Wyoming, 1944.

Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:36 am

Fabulous set of sequence photos :drink3:

Being a 'tail-end Charlie' in a Lancaster looked bad enough, but bugger that job in a Fort :shock:

Why didn't Boeing introduce the mod on the production line....?

Or was that something done later on in production?

Re: Cheyenne Modification Center, Wyoming, 1944.

Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:01 am

phil65 wrote:I'm not sure you can get to the tail gunner position in flight. Isn't there a little extra door after the tail wheel to get to the tail gunner position ?

Phil


You can, it's just a little tight and awkward going around the retracted tail wheel. And yes, there is a small door back there too

Re: Cheyenne Modification Center, Wyoming, 1944.

Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:10 am

Memphis Belle during restoration:
ImageBoeing B-17F 41-24485 by Mark Carlisle, on Flickr

Re: Cheyenne Modification Center, Wyoming, 1944.

Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:44 am

Firebird wrote:Fabulous set of sequence photos :drink3:

Why didn't Boeing introduce the mod on the production line....?

Or was that something done later on in production?


They did not want to interrupt/slow the production cycle. The Cheyanne turret and other modifications were initially a modification to the basic G done at Cheyanne or in the field. Perhaps counter intuitive, but often it was easier to do a modification at another site without interrupting production (new prints, tools, jigs, training...). There were a variety of production batches and three different manufacturers, and incorporating a change while cranking them out can be difficult. Perhaps eventually the mod was introduced onto the production line with Joe Baugher site saying "The so-called "Cheyenne" tail gun mounting modifications were incorporated in the B-17G-80-BO, -45-DL, -35-VE and subsequent batches"

http://www.joebaugher.com/usaf_bombers/b17_16.html
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