Barn find FAIRCHILD PT-19A up for auction

[goaly]

I hope this is not too out of place, but I thought you might find it interesting. An old disassembled PT-19 is up for auction. This is the kind of thing that I would love to spend a day looking at. I hang old airplane parts in my garage, and if they were selling it by the piece I would go to the sale. But I don’t have the room for an entire aircraft.



https://www.auctionzip.com/Listings/3630160.html

This same auctioneer has an interesting airship memorabilia sale coming up as well.

https://www.kikoauctions.com/upcoming/details/12507

[Randy Haskin]

No paperwork or logs? Looks like it is sitting open to the elements in some structure that...I can't tell if that is just leaves and debris or what.

The really valuable part of a PT-19 is that wood center section, as it is really impossible to inspect when it is together. That one, possibly sitting in the elements for who knows how long...probably needs a complete rebuild.

Sadly, there are a lot of better PT-19 projects out there than this.

[Cvairwerks]

It's a PT-19 with some PT-26 stuff thrown in. None of the wood will pass inspection, so it would need new wood everything. The engine should be considered a minimal core. You could buy a flyer for what this one would cost to put back in the air, unless someone just had to have an Aeronca built PT.

[Chris Brame]

Looks like a mix of a couple planes? Wing registration NC64501 comes up as c/n 4223AE; manufacturer's plate on the instrument panel has c/n 9354AE which was registered N53692. Both had been based in Ohio, with last action taken in 1977 per the FAA. '692's registration was canceled in 2009.
The USAAF dataplate is too rusty to read from the photo, except the first digit 4 and last either 2 or 27; anyone have a tie-in from the serials to the c/ns?

Last edited by Chris Brame on Fri Nov 26, 2021 4:10 am, edited 1 time in total.

[JohnB]

Might make a nice static. Fairchild PT's are certainly underrepresented out there.

[TAdan]

Some real gems in that airship memorabilia auction. Thanks for the heads up.

[M-62A]

Looks like a mix of a couple planes? Wing registration NC64501 comes up as c/n 4223AE; manufacturer's plate on the instrument panel has c/n 9354AE which was registered N53692. Both had been based in Ohio, with last action taken in 1977 per the FAA. '692's registration was canceled in 2009.
The USAAF dataplate is too rusty to read from the photo, except the first digit 4 and last either 2 or 27; anyone have a tie-in from the serials to the c/ns?

Chris,
NC64501, 4223AE, canx 2013. Originally PT-23-AE, 42-47773.
NC53692, 9354AE, canx 2009. PT-19A-AE, 43-31497.

[Chris Brame]

Thanks much!

[marine air]

It's a viable project as it seems to have most of it there and not missing. I bet it flew with it's original fabric or maybe only one redo and that fabric lasted until the late 1970's. Look at all the moisture on the floor and debris. That holds moisture and so I would want to know if the fuselage tubing is good or repairable. I wouldn't trust any of the woodwork aafter 80 years and it being kept in a building with what appears to be roof leaks. It does have the engine and tailwheel both of which are becoming scarce. Maybe since it has an inverted inline engine, oil has leaked down and protected the cylinders and it can be rebuilt as well as the engine.
The props are bad and can be sold on ebay to generate money for the acquisition of the project. I'm in the $3000 to $5000 range if I were buying it. It can be rebuilt to fly or serve as donor parts for a better restoration candidate.

[JohnB]

We all know you can buy new Stearman wood wings, but does anyone make the wood parts for a Fairchild?

[Cvairwerks]

Mike Kelly can do a new center section, but you are looking at probably a year out or more, depending on spruce availability and his schedule. I don't remember for sure, but I think it's something like 400+ manhours to build a spar set.

[michaelj2k]

Let's see: 8 to 10 4x8 sheets of mahogany ply on a 45 degree bias @ $300/sheet, a few sheets of 90 degree mahogany ply, birch ply, spruce and maple for the wings tail and center section, Ranger rebuild @ $25K (top end parts are a problem), new Sensenich prop @ $5K, new instruments @ $3K, fabric covering and paint @ $5K, labor @ $80 - $100/hr. (1000 - 1500 man/hours). Oh yeah, the rollover structure between the cockpits has been cut off. Bottom line, $500 - $1000 as a parts airplane. You can find a nice flyer for much less than you would put out for this mess. However if you have $100K - $130K laying around and nothing to do with it, go for broke.
OSH warbird judging complexity factor gives it a 1. At the most, you'll get a Phoenix Award, Type Award and Best Primary Trainer.

[JohnB]

Or you could spend $5,000 to $10,000 for a static restoration and call it good.
I bet not many museums have one...(it's not the famous Stearman or the sporty looking Ryan, so it is the forgotten PT).

[marine air]

The steel tubing on the fuselage is most likely bad from sitting in that damp hangar 45 years.

[Mark D]

Here are some samples of a rebuild a few years back
I wouldn't go past 2-2.5K on this auction - but I think it would be a good for a young person or group to tackle. I think the fuselage would be in better shape than most would think, still has a coat of paint on it, so it would have to be laying in the weeds for any kind of rust/deterioration to start. Of course no paperwork would be a pain - a title service in Oklahoma City told me a while back if had a deregistered N# I should go on a letter writing campaign to the previous address/owner and if no responses then I think the FAA could possibly issue a registration cert. But I think I may be missing some details in this method.
Mark D











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