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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2006 10:55 am 
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I'm currently trying to bring the B-29 Registry up to date and would like to know the current status of all B-29's, B-50 and Tu-4 warbirds that are currently listed as well as any that are missing. So if you've seen one recently (preferebly this year but 2005 is okay as well) then reply to this message and let me know when and where and of course pictures are always welcome.

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Here are some I found that are on my site.


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Saw B-29 42-93967 in October of 2005. She is at Veterans Memorial State Park near Cordele, GA. Looks to be in fair to good condition considering her outdoor exposure for the last 20 years or so.

Saw B-29 44-70113 "Sweet Eloise" in April of 2006. She's a gate guard at Dobbins ARB in Marietta, GA. Great shape.

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Saw B-29 42-93967 in October of 2005. She is at Veterans Memorial State Park near Cordele, GA. Looks to be in fair to good condition considering her outdoor exposure for the last 20 years or so.

Saw B-29 44-70113 "Sweet Eloise" in April of 2006. She's a gate guard at Dobbins ARB in Marietta, GA. Great shape.

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The B-29 at Cordele has been vandalized on the inside. The B-29 at Dobbins looks decent externally but she's actually in pretty rough shape. The "restoration" was a "tech school" job (the scanner bubbles/blisters are from Burger King play sets!). Internally, she's a gutted shell.

I'm glad these planes were saved from scrapping, but they need some help. I'm sure the volunteers who got them on display did the best they could with the $$ they had......


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What's the story on this fella'?

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regarding the "russian" a/c...if I had to make a guess I would say it is one of the USSR "knock-offs" of the B29, literally patterned after at least one USAAF B29 interned in Russia during WWII. I don't remember all the facts and I am sure someone here will "correct" me :wink: .


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Here's more recent pictures of Raz 'n He11, both inside and out.

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Russian variant is a TU-4, NATO code name Bull. The Tupolev design bureau was given direct instructions by Stalin to reverse engineer a duplicate. They used 3 interned aircraft as patterns and pilot training aircraft. One was the Hap Arnold.


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Red 01 is a Tu-4 as Rick said, currently on display at Monino, Russia.

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On July 29, 1944 Ramp Tramp, a B-29-5-BW serial number 42-6256, was unable to return to its base after a raid in Manchuria and landed in Vladivostok.

On November 11, 1944 The General H.H. Arnold Special, serial number 42-6365, was damaged during a raid against Omura on Kyushu was forced to divert to Vladivostok

On November 21, 1944 Ding How, serial number 42-6358, also landed in Vladivostok.

In January, 1945 the crews of these aircraft were quietly returned to the U.S. via Teheran, but their aircraft stayed behind.

After flight tests of Ramp Tramp, Stalin launched a program to exactly duplicate the B-29 on June 22, 1945. The aircraft was initially called B-4, but was soon renamed Tu-4 after Andrei Tupolev became manager of the project.



Though the order was to produce an exact copy, there were practical difficulties in doing this. In the end, several concessions were made to enable the use of Soviet designs. These included the use of Soviet NS-23 canons instead of American .50-caliber machine guns. Shvetsov ASh-73TK engines replaced the original 2,200HP Wright R-3350 engines. These were a soviet copy of earlier Wright engine designs that had been acquired under license from the U.S. They were supposed to have slightly greater horsepower, but initial versions did not perform as well as the R-3350.

In order to appear to comply with Stalin's orders, Tupolev ensured that obvious features of the Tu-4, such as the interior paint scheme, were identical to the B-29. Even a repair patch was duplicated from the original B-29. In less obvious ways, the aircraft was different. For example, the Tu-4 used metric units, as machinery used to manufacture components and materials were calibrated to metric units. Since the B-29's 1/16" aluminum skin would have required an impractical 1.5875 millimeter thickness in order to be an exact duplicate, a skin of varying thickness between .8 and 1.8 millimeters was used instead.

The General H.H. Arnold Special was disassembled at the Central Aerodrome in Moscow. Ding How was grounded as a reference aircraft and Ramp Tramp remained flyable. Ramp Tramp's engines were replaced with ASh-73TK's to make the aircraft more maintainable and it remained in-service for nine years.

Each of the B-29's 105,000 components had to be reverse-engineered by various design bureaus in Russia. There was difficulty producing the large tires and landing gear, so agents were sent to the West to purchase them on the surplus market. In the end, the Tu-4 was only one percent heavier than the B-29.

When disassembling the General H.H. Arnold Special, a plaque next to the bombardier's seat was found. It said:
"At the request of the workers of the Boeing plant in Wichita, Kansas, this B-29 is named the General H.H. Arnold".
General Arnold had made an inspection tour of the Wichita plant in early 1942. A photo of the aircraft being disassembled in Moscow is shown below.



The first Tu-4's were produced on-schedule in 1947, less than two years after the project began. Its maiden flight was in May, 1947 and its first public display was on Aviation Day in August, 1947. Western visitors who saw the Aviation Day demonstration became aware of the Tu-4 at this time.

Tu-4 had many problems initially (as did B-29's), but these were resolved over the years. The Tu-4 become operational in 1948. In the early 1950's, a number of Tu-4's were sent to China. A total of 845 Tu-4's were produced.

In May, 1947 Ramp Tramp was the mother ship to the rocket-powered Samolet 346. This was the product of a German experimental project called DFS 346. The Soviets reportedly captured the DFS 346 in 1945 and built the Samolet 346 using German scientists and a German test pilot.



On October 18, 1951, a Tu-4 dropped the first Soviet atomic bomb to be delivered by air.

Several variants of the Tu-4 were made. An experimental tanker was developed in 1952. An experimental low-wing passenger version of the Tu-4 named the Tu-70 was also built and flown but never saw production.



The Chinese replaced the engines with turboprops and created their own variants, including an early warning and electronic countermeasure aircraft and a craft for launching drones. These were reportedly in-use as late as 1968. An example of each of these two aircraft is on display at the Chinese Aviation Museum outside of Beijing.



By 1954, Tu-4's were beginning to be removed from military service and the Ramp Tramp was scrapped this year. The Tu-4 at Monino is the most original remaining example. The two turboprop Tu-4's in China are the only other known examples on display


*Taken from Moninoaviation.com

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44-84076, Man O War under restoration at SAC museum

It is on the list already.

Updates can be found here http://www.sacmuseum.org/support/B-29Re ... nFund.html

Some great pics of it have been floating around here too. Currently outside while paint goes on the T 29 restoration.

Heck you can have naming rights for a mere $20k.... :D

If you are in the area they also take volunteers. Too bad I have to work!

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42-65281 (cn 3456) On display at the Travis Museum
44-61669 (cn 11193) Riverside March Field Air Museum
44-86292 Now preserved at the Smithsonian Udvar-Hazy Center
44-86408 at Ogden Hill AFB Museum
G-BHDK / 44-61748 (cn 11225) Preserved in the American Air Museum, Duxford UK
44-61975 Displayed in its own room at the New England Air Museum, Windsor Locks (Hartford / Springfield)
44-70113 / Z58 Named "Sweet Eloise", this B-29 on display at Atlanta NAS
44-27343 Tinker AFB, Oklahoma City
42-93967 Located at the Georgia Veterans Memorial State Park in Cordele


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Scott, 44-62022 is now displayed indoors Pueblo,Co

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Scott, I also wanted to let you know FIFI is down for extensive engine repairs according to what has been posted on the WIX in recent months.

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