A-26 Vandalized in OK...

[T J Johansen]

Then there was the Milt Smilinich B-25 derelict at the airport that also went over to the guard side as a stripped out hulk also slated for fire practice as late as 1985.

Can somebody sell me a time machine?

Would that be this B-25?
http://www.warbirdregistry.org/b25regis ... 86872.html

T J

[L. Thompson]

That is the B-25. N2888G (with its spray painted N#) looked just barely flyable in the late spring of 1971 when I moved to Boise. Each year it went down hill with many parts gone by 1973 to aid in another restoration.The hulk that was leftover by 1983 was barely recognizable as a B-25.

Tulio, it would be hard to describe the spot at Julia Davis Park except to say NW portion, but no airplane was ever put in its place as late as 2000 when I left the area.

I believe you can still see a weathered F-89 Scorpion at the park in Nampa and a F-86 in a park in Nyssa, OR.

[Tulio]

Thank you, L. Thompson!

I will begin to scour the Nampa area, and will check Nyssa. I went to Nyssa earlier this year, when I visited the Owyhee reservoir, but missed the F-86.

And of course, I will go take a look at the park in Boise, this coming week.

Saludos,


Tulio

[JBoyle]

Tulio, it would be hard to describe the spot at Julia Davis Park except to say NW portion, but no airplane was ever put in its place as late as 2000 when I left the area.

I believe you can still see a weathered F-89 Scorpion at the park in Nampa and a F-86 in a park in Nyssa, OR.

Inthe late 70s, the only sign of the B-26 eever having been there were 3 6' tall concrete poles. IT was by an entrance...that's all I recall. I figured there had been a plane there but never knew what until I found the Invader remains.

The F-89 has been moved to (I believe) to a ID ANG area.

[usaf ssgt]

I found this over on the FineScale Modeler forum...

http://www.finescale.com/FSM/CS/forums/ ... wPost.aspx

Hey Dan, what happened to the link?
I can't get it to work.
Did something happen to it on FSM?, as I couldn't find it over there, either.

Leon.

[TAdan]

Leon, it looks like the post is gone. I cant find it on FSM either...

[DiggerWW2]

Which is worse though?? A few cheap punks with a spray can:

http://wwwboard.modelcarkits.com/index.pl?read=877692

Or what the Colling's Foundation does to Their Warbirds with the Names of Who the Hell Cares painted on the side.??

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/ ... CAIR20.jpg

Ugh!! I'm sorry to bust on this, I have the highest respect for the Collings Foundation, but this Name Crap needs to stop....
In My opinion, it serves no real purpose & only destroys the historical value & appearence of the aircraft.
Personally, I'd rather have the Graffitti. At least it's removable!!... Digger

[Jase]

Guess you've never looked at FiFi then, as she has American Airlines logos on her as a thank you for the work the AA folks did a few years back.

While I agree that sponsor names detract from the "authenticity" aspect, how much worse would it be if the planes didn't fly at all, due to costs?????

You want authentic, go to the USAF Museum or Air & Space. To me, and I say this as someone who gives a HELLUVA lot of his time, money, and love to multiple CAF aircraft, in addition to my own "warbug"; to keep these great planes flying requires some sacrifices. One of those sacrifices is that, due to spiraling costs, we the operators HAVE to attract sponsors. One way to do that is to offer them the chance to have their name "in lights" as it were.

Regards

Jase

Which is worse though?? A few cheap punks with a spray can:

http://wwwboard.modelcarkits.com/index.pl?read=877692

Or what the Colling's Foundation does to Their Warbirds with the Names of Who the heck Cares painted on the side.??

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v674/ ... CAIR20.jpg

Ugh!! I'm sorry to bust on this, I have the highest respect for the Collings Foundation, but this Name Crap needs to stop....
In My opinion, it serves no real purpose & only destroys the historical value & appearence of the aircraft.
Personally, I'd rather have the Graffitti. At least it's removable!!... Digger

[retroaviation]

Guess you've never looked at FiFi then, as she has American Airlines logos on her as a thank you for the work the AA folks did a few years back.

Well, actually Jase, those American Airlines decals were taken off of FIFI a few years ago. I was told that they didn't want their name on it due to the "liability." I really don't know if that's the real reason why or not though.

Both you and Digger make good points though. How do groups such as the CAF, Collings, YAF, etc., say "thank you" to the people that have helped either financially or physically, without 'defacing' our airplanes?

I have frequent discussions with people regarding how we should handle this. Personally, I don't care to put the names of folks in a highly visible location on FIFI or Lil (particularly for air to air photos). However, the inboard portions of cowlings, gear doors, etc., might be a great place for the general public to see who's helped us while their walking around our airplanes, while at the same time, photos such as the great ones you see on this website and in Warbird Digest won't be "marred" with signatures.

So, it's an interesting point both of you make. Those are just my thoughts on the subject........which, of course, may change over time.

Gary Austin

[DiggerWW2]

I agree that the Warbird Owners need Sponsors with Deep Pockets, but why do they need thier names painted on the outside of the Aircraft?? I fail to see the "Historically Correct" logic in this??
It looks so cheap & trashy. The phrase "Turd on a Wedding Cake" suddenly comes to mind...

A major goal to restoring these Warbirds & keeping them flying is to preserve thier Historical Authenticity as much as possible. I'm pretty sure the Sponsors would be able to grasp this concept. I'd like to know what "Danny Dingleberry" had to do with the Proud Battle History of the B-17?? I'm sure many confused schoolchildren & veterans are too....
If the Sponsors absolutely demand Thier name be on the Aircraft, then why not put them on the inside. So We don't have to look at them all day. To Me, it's just as bad as those punks with the spray cans.. Digger

[mlenoch]

Confused school children? Come on!! They hardly know what they are looking at, let alone someone's name on the side of the cockpit.

Some comments while on the road:
"What kind of plane is it?"......'Mustang'
"Was this in Vietnam?".............'No, in WW2 in the 1940s'
"When was WW2?".............'From about 1939 to 1945'
"What are this plus signs?"........'Balkan crosses showing victories'
"Why does it have a star on the side" ........(gawd)'Its a symbol for an American plane'
"Does this have an Allison in it?".............'No, Its a Rolls Royce Merlin'.
and my No.1 favorite............."Were you in WW2?"..............(I'm about to lose it!!)............'Ha-Ha-No........I missed it by a few years.'

There are so many more basic aspects to these warbirds, that the general public is hardly aware of an error of the paint scheme. I do certainly applaud those that historically record, research and apply correct schemes on their aircraft. History is worth keeping.

Just my 2 cents........
(obviously I have the morning off & time to write this!!)

[RickH]

Vlado you missed one.

" How did you get this here ?"

"You flew it ?"

The above came from a kid who was old enough to know better. We were at Hope, Ark. ( I know, let the jokes begin now ) They bussed in about 3000 area school kids over a 3 day period and we were answering all kinds of questions. A kid walks up and stands there looking at the B-25. First he wants to know, and I quote, " Now is this an airport where people come and go from?". Itold him yes, and then he asked while he continued to ponder the B-25, "how'd ya'll get this here ?". He was amazed when we told him we flew in the day before.

Believe it or not this was the first time I heard this but it hasn't been the last. People continue to amaze me.

As to the names, most of the folks who have their names on the Collings aircraft are deceased vetrans who crewed on that particular type of aircraft or a member of a crew who has chosen to memorialize his own crew by making a donation. The individuals are generally memorialized by family members who have chosen this way to remember their loved one's sacrifice . They are applied in a size that doesn't detract from aerial photographs.

[Obergrafeter]

Now you all have done it. My pet peeve. How hard would it be to paint the most beutiful logo on a piece of aluminum and lean it up against the tire when the airplane lands. Sponsor gets his name out and we don't mar the plane. I guess its' one of those ideas that is just too simple to work.
Been spouting this idea for 20 years!

[Alan Brooks]

I like that idea too, I always liked the three-fold sponsor, fact board. Lots of information for everyone. Folds easily, tucks away till the next stop. Alan

[John-Curtiss Paul]

The Scorpian is still in the park in Nampa about 1 mile south of the Warhawk Air Museum. The F-86 is still in Nyssa... and FYI for Tulio - we got our F-86 assembled and and on it's gear in the museum now. We need to get the control surfaces and canopy on it but it looks awesome.