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ZuluEcho
 Post subject: A Russian Connection
PostPosted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 10:30 am 
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I got started on some research with Paul and came across this interesting website... it well worth a look for anyone who is interested in salvage ops.

This P-40E was shipped to the UK in 1998 and then (maybe) sold to an American collector
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How and where did the Hurricane Z5053 (Z5252) come from?
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The largest single resource here is the LEND-LEASE Shipment documents! all in english!
http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/documents/index.htm

Over the last month I've managed to locate a couple of people who seem to know of (i have no other details) and i'm struggling to decide whether i want to go looking for one or invest my hard earned dosh into a trainer as i originally wanted!! :roll: anyhow i hope u guys find this interesting..

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Mike
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I think you need to get yourself a subscription to 'Classic Wings' ZuluEcho - all these recoveries have been covered in detail! :wink:
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Flat 12x2
 Post subject: Re: A Russian Connection
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ZuluEcho wrote:
I got started on some research with Paul and came across this interesting website...

How and where did the Hurricane Z5053 (Z5252) come from?


P-39 (23)


You forgot to include the link

Looks like Z5053 from Archangel, Russia
http://www.warbirdregistry.org/hurriregistry/hurricane-z5053.html

P-39 44-29xxx is not listed in the registry, possibly 44-29x23 ?(from the code), fantastic condition

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Mike
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Wrong Hurricane, this one is Z5252, not Z5053

http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/a ... ane_Z5252/

The P-39 was recovered almost intact, with the pilot still on board, a couple of years back. The identity is 44-2911 - the tactical code '23' is not taken from the last 2 of the USAAF serial.

http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/a ... /index.htm

The P-40E is 41-13570

http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/a ... /index.htm


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Mike.. I've started getting CW only recently.. and have no access to the older issues :lol: I suspected as much that these recoveries have been covered in one publication or another but thought adding the info to WIX would help other people (like myself) who use the net to research information.

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ZuluEcho wrote:
Mike.. I've started getting CW only recently.. and have no access to the older issues.

I'm sure that Dave M2 will be along in a while to remind everyone that back issues are still available for most editions. Just click on the link at the top of this page! :wink:
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Mike wrote:
Wrong Hurricane, this one is Z5252, not Z5053

http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/a ... ane_Z5252/

The P-39 was recovered almost intact, with the pilot still on board, a couple of years back. The identity is 44-2911 - the tactical code '23' is not taken from the last 2 of the USAAF serial.

http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/a ... /index.htm


Thanks Mike
OK, so the registry is wrong as Z5252 is listed as being in the UK in 1996 after being restored in Russia !

P-40 is 41-13390
http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/sheppard/p40recovery/index.htm
http://www.warbirdregistry.org/p40registry/p40-4113390.html

P-39 is 44-2911 ( not in registry)
http://lend-lease.airforce.ru/english/articles/sheppard/p39/index.htm
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Flat 12x2 wrote:
OK, so the registry is wrong as Z5252 is listed as being in the UK in 1996 after being restored in Russia !

If you read the article that I posted the link to, all will become clear! :)

In 1996 a Hurricane displayed in a Russian Museum as ‘Z5252’ was brought to the UK and purchased by Hugh Taylor. Although initially registered as ‘Z5252’, it was discovered that its true identity was actually Z5053. Its registration has been altered accordingly.
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Mike, Anyone.. any information about the guy mentioned in most of these recoveries ... Boris Osetinskij?

Also Mike is the stuff listed in the land lease documents posted on this site accurate? thanks

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The P-39Q-15 pictured is for sale in the UK. PM me for additional information
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Just the vastness of Russia leads me to believe many more warbirds lie undiscovered. The same applies to China.
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Thanks Mike. Issue 48 for the Hurricane, Issue 49 for the P-39 articles. Various other issues that have news pieces of what is coming out of Russia / and or restorations there. Check out the upcoming magazine for a 109 that has just gone on display. Boris and a few others who are involved with recovery and restoration / rebuild are fortunately good friends of mine :wink:
Back issues available for this link
http://www.classicwings.com/past.html

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