Maryland Locator

[mrhenniger]

have taken my best shot at the New Jersey Locator. You can find it at...
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/Locator.html#USA_MD

I have a few questions...

#1: Is there a F-4 displayed at Phillips AAF at Aberdeen?

#2: Is there a F4F at Annapolis someplace?

#3: I found a F-105 and T-39 at Andrews AFB. Is there also a F6F, F-4, F-106 and UH-1 at Adrews?

#4: Where is the Stars and Stripes Wing of the CAF located?

#5: Is there a F-101 located in Marlow Heights?

#6: Is there a F2Y at the Martin State Airport in Middle River?

As with all sections of the Locator, if there is anything missing you know about, feel free to let me know.

Mike

[Forgotten Field]

Responses below:



#4: Where is the Stars and Stripes Wing of the CAF located?

Frederick MD, but they are disbanding. Their TBM will be up for assignment and there will probably be a continuation of the same people in a new sponsor group. The aircraft is presently at Hagerstown.
Don't forget that the Hawkins and Powers C-82 is located at Hagerstown, and there is a museum with a Kreider Reisner KR34.

#6: Is there a F2Y at the Martin State Airport in Middle River?

No F2Y, but the museum also has the only surviving pieces of a P6M Mariner, a Rearwin Cloudster, a new F5, and a movie mockup of a Martin 130 hidden away. There is also the wind-tunnel and tub-trial model of the JRM Mars, almost as big as a Cessna 150.

You also missed Forgotten Field Aviation Technical Center, with Stinson L-5E, Vultee BT13B project, Consolidated A-6 Tail Turret, and Martin 250 Turret. Based at MTN.

[mrhenniger]

Frederick MD, but they are disbanding.

Noted. Will be updated soon.

Don't forget that the Hawkins and Powers C-82 is located at Hagerstown

Thanks, but please refresh my memory... which museum is at Hagerstown? Do they have a website?

and there is a museum with a Kreider Reisner KR34.

Is this museum in Hagerstown as well?

No F2Y, but the museum also has the only surviving pieces of a P6M Mariner, a Rearwin Cloudster, a new F5, and a movie mockup of a Martin 130 hidden away. There is also the wind-tunnel and tub-trial model of the JRM Mars, almost as big as a Cessna 150.

Thanks. I will update soon.

You also missed Forgotten Field Aviation Technical Center, with Stinson L-5E, Vultee BT13B project, Consolidated A-6 Tail Turret, and Martin 250 Turret. Based at MTN.

Something tells me you are VERY familiar with this place. You like could then make it very easy for me by giving me a URL and perhaps an address or even the lat and long? For now I will just add it to my notes.

Thanks!

Mike

[SaxMan]

#2 - Unless it was placed on the grounds of the Naval Academy recently, there is not an F4F in the Annapolis area.

#3 - All are likely to be at Andrews except the F6F. I'll actually be on the base playing a holiday party at their Officer's Club next week, so I'll keep an eye out for anything. Down at Patuxent NAS, there are a great many aircraft dotting the base as well as the ones for the base museum.

#5 - Doubtful. I've lived in the area for almost my entire life and never heard of any aircraft of that type in the Marlow Heights area. There is an F-105 at Bolling AFB in DC. At one point in time, the local park commission had an F7U Cutlass at Wheaton Regional Park and an FJ-1 Fury at Cabin John Regional Park in Potomac as part of a playground (back when we were allowed to play with REAL items), both were taken out of the park and scapped.

[mrhenniger]

#2 - Unless it was placed on the grounds of the Naval Academy recently, there is not an F4F in the Annapolis area.

Thanks. It was not a newly published source, so I would guess (with confidence) it is an error. Who would display a F4F outside these days?

#3 - All are likely to be at Andrews except the F6F. I'll actually be on the base playing a holiday party at their Officer's Club next week, so I'll keep an eye out for anything.

Thanks! The Locator gives map locations for what I can see is there using Google Earth, so you will be able to see what I know about. If you find anything else plese let me know.

Down at Patuxent NAS, there are a great many aircraft dotting the base as well as the ones for the base museum.

I have these listed under "Patuxent River NAS". Is it safe to assume none of them are accessible to the public?

#5 - Doubtful. I've lived in the area for almost my entire life and never heard of any aircraft of that type in the Marlow Heights area.

That is just the kind of statement I was looking for.

There is an F-105 at Bolling AFB in DC.

I'll try to find it next week.

At one point in time, the local park commission had an F7U Cutlass at Wheaton Regional Park and an FJ-1 Fury at Cabin John Regional Park in Potomac as part of a playground (back when we were allowed to play with REAL items), both were taken out of the park and scapped.

Where is "local" for you? It is worth adding these to my notes, even if they are no longer around.

Thanks!

Mike

[SaxMan]

Local for me is Damascus, Maryland, although I am very familiar with a pretty good chunk of the state. The two Navy planes were in parks that were in suburban DC. I actually asked about them in the vain hope that they may have been sitting on a storage lot somewhere, but when the planes were removed, they were scrapped.

Patuxent NAS is the same thing as Patuxent River NAS, or Pax River. It's not too difficult to get on the base provided that you have a reason to be there. My band did a wedding at the Officer's Club back in the beginning of October, which is clear across the base, so we got to see an A-4, a AH-1 and a P-3 parked in various spots on the base, in addition to the planes in the museum area, and a couple of planes on the ramp. The cool thing about this base is that the main road crosses an active runway. There are "Plane Xing" signs and traffic lights before you cross the runway.

[Jerry O'Neill]

#3 - All are likely to be at Andrews except the F6F. I'll actually be on the base playing a holiday party at their Officer's Club next week, so I'll keep an eye out for anything. Down at Patuxent NAS, there are a great many aircraft dotting the base as well as the ones for the base museum.

Did the Navy remove the F6F from it's outside display area?
Last time I saw it, it was still doing the "Wind-Tee" thing on the East side of the field.
Google Earh still shows it in place just off the Southern of the two ramps, near it's Northeast corner.
Anybody know for sure if it has been removed?
Jerry

[Todd Hackbarth]

As, of October 14, 2006, F6F BuNo 77722 was still doing the "wind tee thing" just off the Navy ramp on the east side of Andrews AFB. Also on the east side was F-105D 61-0041 and F-4D Mig Killer 66-7661. We could not find F-4D 66-7693.

On the west side of Andrews, Lockheed C-140 Jetstar "89001" is on display. I believe I also spotted a UH-1 but can't remeber where it was and did not get a photo of it.

Todd

[SaxMan]

Wow. All these years in the DC area and this is the first I've ever heard of the F6F. As rare as those birds are, shouldn't that one come inside?

[Jerry O'Neill]

I guess the Andrews F6F is more important as a wind direction device than as an historic artifact!
Gee, maybe they could use the "Spirit of St. Louis" for a wind tee too!

Here's a link:
http://www.warbirdregistry.org/f6fregis ... 77722.html

Jerry

[mrhenniger]

Last time I saw it, it was still doing the "Wind-Tee" thing on the East side of the field. Google Earh still shows it in place just off the Southern of the two ramps, near it's Northeast corner.

Got it!

Also on the east side was F-105D 61-0041 and F-4D Mig Killer 66-7661. We could not find F-4D 66-7693.

On the west side of Andrews, Lockheed C-140 Jetstar "89001" is on display. I believe I also spotted a UH-1 but can't remeber where it was and did not get a photo of it.

I already had the locatin of the F-105, but I did not know have the F-4. I found it.


I have made the updates to the Maryland section of the locator. You can find it at...
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/Locator.html#USA_MD

I have also created a form for submitting contributions to the Locator. You can find it at...
http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/LocatorForm.html

Thanks for everyones help with this!

Mike

[SaxMan]

I guess the Andrews F6F is more important as a wind direction device than as an historic artifact!
Gee, maybe they could use the "Spirit of St. Louis" for a wind tee too!

Here's a link:
http://www.warbirdregistry.org/f6fregis ... 77722.html

Jerry

That's just wrong. Where's the NHC on this one? Oh wait, they're too busy protecting planes underwater where everyone can see them

[SaxMan]

There was also a P-80 Shooting Star that was a gatekeeper at the entrance to the Montgomery County Airpark in Gaithersburg, Maryland. It was there well into the late-1980s, but is no longer there. It looked like it was remarkably intact and in decent shape. I have no idea what happened to it, though.

[Forgotten Field]

I found out about the F2Y. The aircraft was part of an older museum not affiliated with the present Glenn L. Martin Maryland Aviation Museum. The museum principals allegedly scammed a lot of money and a T-28 out of the G., then folded. The NASM came to MTN with sawzalls, removed the wings from the F2Y, and trucked the remains to Washington DC. Another excellent restoration using our tax dollars...

What else do you want to know about GLM MAM and the aircraft? There are two B-57's, an F101, F105, F100, F84, T33, and Martin on the SW side of the airport near the water. The other F-100 is across the runway with the current warbirds (C-130's and A-10's). The F-86 and HU 16 are the MDANG's toys and are on the opposite end where the majority of the aircraft are located. The M-130 mockup is stashed in the off site facilities. The Rearwin Cloudster is in a hangar.

Forgotten Field Aviation Technical Center occupies several facilities around the Baltimore area when it is not deployed to forward operating bases. If there's anything else, PM me...

[mrhenniger]

I found out about the F2Y. The aircraft was part of an older museum not affiliated with the present Glenn L. Martin Maryland Aviation Museum. The museum principals allegedly scammed a lot of money and a T-28 out of the G., then folded. The NASM came to MTN with sawzalls, removed the wings from the F2Y, and trucked the remains to Washington DC. Another excellent restoration using our tax dollars...

Sawzalls and aircraft should never be placed in close proximity of eath other!

Thanks for the note. I will upload the new version later today.

What else do you want to know about GLM MAM and the aircraft? There are two B-57's, an F101, F105, F100, F84, T33, and Martin on the SW side of the airport near the water. The other F-100 is across the runway with the current warbirds (C-130's and A-10's). The F-86 and HU 16 are the MDANG's toys and are on the opposite end where the majority of the aircraft are located. The M-130 mockup is stashed in the off site facilities. The Rearwin Cloudster is in a hangar.

I need to sort this out. The location of the museum is at...
http://www.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=3 ... =1&iwloc=A

Across the field... the HU-16 is at...
http://www.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=3 ... =1&iwloc=A

...and the F-86 is at...
http://www.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=3 ... =1&iwloc=A

Is this the second F-100 here?...
http://www.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=3 ... =1&iwloc=A

What else is parked on that former runway? Do they belong to the museum or the ANG?

Forgotten Field Aviation Technical Center occupies several facilities around the Baltimore area when it is not deployed to forward operating bases. If there's anything else, PM me...

Check.


Thanks again. The cooperation on WIX is awesome!

Mike