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Found it here: http://www.startribune.com/462/story/918949.html

Can jet hijack be foiled?

U.S. Air Force wants to take a spy plane away from a Minnesota Air Guard museum.

By Dan Browning, Star Tribune


Unless the Minnesota congressional delegation provides some quick support, the Minnesota Air Guard Museum could soon be singing Bye, Bye Blackbird.

The nonprofit museum, which restored an A-12 Blackbird spy plane after rescuing it from a California scrap yard in 1990, has been told that it must return the plane to the Air Force, which plans to hand it over to the Central Intelligence Agency for a commemorative display at its Virginia headquarters.

"They want to see this airplane on a stick in front of their headquarters," said Mark Ness, a retired brigadier general and former commander of the Minnesota Air National Guard.

Ness and others believe the plane could be better used as a teaching exhibit for a proposed new Minnesota Air Guard Museum on the Upper Bluffs area next to the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport. Museum officials are seeking land and money to construct an exhibition hall and aviation education center.

Lt. Col. Michael Fleck, deputy chief of the Air Force Programs and Legislative Division, wrote a museum booster that because the A-12 originated as part of a CIA program, "it is most appropriate that one of the few remaining examples be allocated to them for memorialization." He said the plane would be dedicated to the memory of everyone associated with the CIA's program at its 60th anniversary this year.

Other planes could be used

Minnesota's A-12 isn't the only remaining one. A Blackbird in Birmingham, Ala., was the first to fly an operational mission for the CIA over North Vietnam on May 31, 1967, and it was the last A-12 to fly when it was retired on June 21, 1968, according to James Goodall, a former curator of the Minnesota Air Guard Museum and author of several books on the Blackbird reconnaissance aircraft.

But Fleck wrote in a letter that the histories of other available A-12s were considered before selecting the one in Minnesota for the CIA's commemoration. He noted that the Minnesota Air Guard's 133rd Airlift Wing had no historical association with the plane.

That may be true, Ness said, but he noted that Minnesota technology companies played a critical role in the creation of the Blackbird. Honeywell's Military Avionics Division, Rosemount Inc., and 3M supplied key components for the aircraft. In addition, four of the Blackbird's earliest pilots were Air National Guard members, Goodall said, and three A-12 pilots were from Minnesota: Ken Collins, from the Pipestone area; Denny Sullivan, from the Red Wing area and Mele Vojvodich Jr. from the Duluth area.

Richard Wiessner, a retired colonel who serves on the museum's board, said the Air Force wouldn't take the plane if it knew more about Minnesota's rich aviation history.

According to Wiessner, department store magnate Donald Dayton commissioned the first retail cargo flight in the United States to deliver a 65-pound package to Minneapolis from New York in 1918, and the first Air National Guard unit in the nation was founded in Minnesota by the pilot who made that flight.

Wiessner, 83, a World War II fighter pilot, also noted that Jean Piccard, who flew the first plastic hot-air balloon in 1936, used to fly out of the iron-ore pits in northern Minnesota. John Ackerman, a University of Minnesota physicist and aeronautics professor who worked with Piccard, built a "flying wing" -- an airplane without a tail, Wiessner said. And the first pressurized flight suit was developed by Rochester's Mayo Clinic. Without such suits, the A-12 could never have been flown.

Restoration took 3,500 hours

When the museum found the A-12 in Palmdale, Calif., it had to cut the wings off of the 99-foot-long plane to have the parts flown in giant C-5 Galaxy transport aircraft to the Minnesota Air National Guard base.

Volunteers spent more than 3,500 hours restoring the world's fastest jet aircraft, funded with tens of thousands of dollars in donations from local corporations and individuals. Dayton Hudson Corp., which later became Target Corp., produced a half-hour documentary of the project.

Blackbird is popular

Although the museum has 27 aircraft in its collection, the Blackbird is by far the biggest draw, said Stan Christianson, a retired Navy lieutenant and volunteer museum guide.

Since the 9/11 terrorist attacks, however, the museum grounds have been practically off-limits to the public because of tightened security at the air base.

Wiessner said Minnesota millionaire Kenneth Dahlberg, an 89-year-old entrepreneur who was a triple-ace fighter pilot in World War II, has offered to raise money for the new museum if the board can secure the land for it from the Department of Natural Resources. Dahlberg paid for conceptual drawings of the project, which would be called the Minnesota Museum of Aviation and Aviation Learning Center, Wiessner said.

Gov. Tim Pawlenty has written a letter to the Secretary of the Air Force in which he "strongly objects to moving the spy plane from Minnesota," spokesman Brian McClung said Friday. Pawlenty cites the restoration work done on the plane by local volunteers, and the support of Minnesota's congressional delegation when the plane was brought here, among his reasons why it should stay. McClung said the letter would be sent by Monday.

Ness said it probably would require a concerted effort from the state's congressional delegation to get the Air Force to change its mind. Museum supporters have reached out for help, he said.

Sen. Norm Coleman, R-Minn., issued a statement late Friday in which he said he'd "urge the Air Force to reconsider their position on this issue."


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Seems to me it would be better to clean the seaweed from the A-12 at Mobile and send it to a safer place.


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I had read somewhere that the Minn. bird was one of the best kept birds. When I saw it it looked in pretty good shape. The Birmingham plane is in sad shape however, as are most of the planes at the Birmingham display. So I think we can see why they would want the Minn. plane. If they do take this plane I think it will send the wrong message to museums, keep your plane in great shape and you may lose it.

Also, I had no trouble getting into the Minn. museum, just got checked at the guard gate and let through.

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I saw it in person while on a business trip, and it was in good shape. Really clean.

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Mike, you don't realize how high the tide can get ! :lol:

Yeah, I know, I typed Birmingham, I was thinkin' Mobile ! Can't ya'll read my mind ?


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Word is the MNANG lost this battle and the Blackbird is heading out on Monday. Those of you in the area this is the last weekend to view the A-12...


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Well if it's true, I'm glad I got the chance to sit in her once, as I'm sure NOONE will be able to even see her a the CIA headquarters :evil:


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Warbirdnerd wrote:
Word is the MNANG lost this battle and the Blackbird is heading out on Monday. Those of you in the area this is the last weekend to view the A-12...


I'd love to go see the A-12 again... Good luck getting into the museum though, they're very rarely open anymore, and never at this time of year :(

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Posted by Kirk Ransom on the F-4 Discussion Forum. Kirk is a former F-4 pilot and an active member of the Minnesota Air Guard Museum.

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This airplane set right in front of two Phantoms. The Air Guard Museum
volunteer recovery crew started cutting on 10 OCT 91 and finished on 12 OCT
91. Our A-12, Lockheed number 128, Air Force s/n 60-06931, was moved via
two NY ANG C-5As from Air Force Plant 42, Palmdale, CA, via a night at
Travis on the 28/29 OCT 91. It arrived on our ramp of the 133rd Airlift
Wing, located at Minneapolis/St. Paul IAP, about 3:35 PM local time on the
29th. The completed A-12 was rolled out on 18 JUL 92

There is only one Blackbird in the Upper Midwest - this one. There are
three in Alabama, one which was actually flown by the CIA (this one was not)
and it not on exhibit.

Now there is no Blackbird in the Upper Midwest. Thanks, National Museum of
the United States Air Force!


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Prized spy plane dismantled for move

By Dan Browning, Star Tribune

Despite a last-ditch protest from the state's congressional delegation, a
crew from the Air Force arrived today at the Minnesota Air Guard museum and
began dismantling an exotic "Blackbird" spy plane so that it can be moved to
the CIA's headquarters in Virginia.
The 99-foot-long plane had been rescued from the scrap heap in California
and restored at great expense by Minnesota volunteers.

Even so, military aircraft like the A-12 Blackbird are considered "on-loan"
from the U.S. Air Force Museum, which retains control over their display.
And last fall, the Air Force decided to give the plane to the Central
Intelligence Agency as part of its 60th anniversary celebration this year.
The agency plans to dedicate the plane as a memorial to all of the pilots
who flew in it.

The museum has asked for permission to buy a plaque to be displayed with the
aircraft that would recognize the efforts of those who restored the plane,
said Richard Wiessner, a retired World War II fighter pilot who services an
the museum's board.

Wiessner said it will take several days for the plane to be taken apart
before it can be sent east.

"This whole thing just really stinks," he said Wednesday. "I feel like we're
fighting our own government. I was in the Air Force for 28 years -- the Air
Force and the Air Guard -- and now I'm fighting them!"

On Friday, Sen. Norm Coleman, R-Minn., began circulating a letter to the
rest of the state's delegation that asks the secretary of the Air Force to
hold off on the plane's removal.

"The Minnesota Air National Guard Historical Foundation operates one of the
most unique aviation museums in the nation," says the letter, which was
signed by Coleman, Sen. Amy Klobuchar and Reps. Jim Ramstad, Collin
Peterson, John Kline, James Oberstar and Timothy Walz.

"Losing the centerpiece of their aircraft display would drastically reduce
the overall effectiveness of their museum. This aircraft is the only A-12
used as a hands-on educational resouce with a rare restored cockpit
instrumentation," they noted.

The letter cites Minnesota's historical association with the Blackbird,
which includes "the remarkable hard work of almost fifteen thousand
Minnesotans who contributed to the development of the Blackbird program" by
working at subcontractors such as 3M, Honeywell and Rosemount Inc.

After a story about the plane's removal appeared in the Star Tribune this
month, retired Col. Ken Collins, a former A-12 pilot, responded that the
plane should be displayed in front of the CIA.

"The A-12 is the pride of the CIA and everyone associated with it, as it
should be. You should be proud that the A-12 can be installed in Langley,"
Collins wrote in an e-mail to a reporter. "We risked our lives and careers
daily for the success of the A-12. It was an amazing success due greatly to
the CIA management," he said.


Staff writer Paul Walsh contributed to this report.


Dan Browning . dbrowning@startribune.com

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Another post from a similar perspective regarding the NMUSAF current policies. This from Jim Bloomberg, who I believe is another former F-4 driver.

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I am sorry to hear that your museum is loosing the Blackbird. Regretfully speaking this is typical of Wright Pat and the corporate culture of the Metcalfe Mafia. In that what they loan out, they can taketh away from the poor to satisfy their rich pals.

This is why everything AF in our museum does not come from them on loan.

Hang in there.

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Well, while I am a fan of taking some aircraft back, when it is needed, a good example is the Memphis Belle. I am not a fan of this one. I think it should stay where it was restored. On the other side of this, the A-12 is not going to be on outdoor display, but indoor display in a new conference center. I saw where it is going. It sucks for the museum, but overall it is going to be indoors. That said, I saw this aircrfat a few years ago, and it was in very nice shape.

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:cry: :cry: :cry:

I think a little part of me just died. One of the coolest experiences I ever had was going to an open cockpit day at the museum and being able to sit in her.

And with all due respect to the Mr. Collins who wrote into the Star Tribune, it's a crock of crap that the CIA decided to take this Blackbird.


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Man this SUX!

As one that has given this country 24 years of Service in the USAF and ANG, my heart goes out to this museum. It's bad enough when a museum breaks up and the assets move to a different location, but it has to be worse yet when the AF taps your plane after all the blood, sweat, and tears have gone into restoring it and then gives it all away.

Has there been any talk of compensation for this museum?

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Seems like the Museum should be compensated for the restoration.

Why would Museums put blood sweat and tears into a loan aircraft if it can/will be yanked for some yahoo with more political pull. :roll:


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