CAF P-82 Press Release

[Swiss Mustangs]

If I remember correctly, the first two YP-82's had Merlins, then the first 20 or so P-82B's had Allisions.
Robbie

nope

XP-82 44-83886/44-83887 - 1860 hp Packard Merlin V-1650-23/25
XP-82A 44-83888 - 1500 hp Allison V-1710-119
P-82B/C/D 44-65160/44-65179 - Packard Merlin V-1560-19/21
P-82E/F/G/H 46-255/46-504 - 1600 hp Allison V-1710-143/145

Martin

[Nathan]

So is this bad for the CAF? Seems like no one else is concerned.

IMHO, the USAFM does not need another P/F-82. Or in any case take away from others.

[Rogue]

I thought the CAF was gonna sell it, and thats what brought this on.

[51fixer]

Who is battling the CAF over ownership?
Rich

[mustangdriver]

You can't sell something you don't own. This happened with another aircraft besides the P-82. I don't know who owns the P-82 though.

[John Beyl]

Who is battling the CAF over ownership?
Rich

USAF. As the story has been told, apparently the P-82 was on loan to the CAF until such day that they no longer wanted it. At that time it was to be returned to the USAF. Sounds clear enough but from what I've been told nobody on either side of the "Debate" can generate any dated paperwork to substantiate their claim...hence the court case.

Any idea what started coming apart inside Bald Eagles engine? Who was that one built by? PM me if you don't want to post.

Thanks,
John

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[CAPFlyer]

John, the USAF's position is that it was on loan. The CAF's position is that they were given the deed on the aircraft and that the paperwork was lost over the years or something to the sort. Plus the CAF claims that they did a title check on the aircraft and nothing was returned, in effect proving that the USAF doesn't claim ownership on the aircraft. The court case will have that title search entered as evidence and the USAF will enter its claims for ownership into evidence, and then the judge and/or jury will then decide who's got the better claim for the aircraft and they'll be awarded the title.

I'm sure it'll be a bit more bitter of a fight than I make it sound, but the basics are the same. Both organizations claim ownership of the aircraft and both believe they have proof showing that they're right. Now it's up to the court to decide who's going to get it.

[mustangdriver]

I really have no idea who owns the thing, I just hope whoever is right wins.

[John Beyl]

John, the USAF's position is that it was on loan. The CAF's position is that they were given the deed on the aircraft and that the paperwork was lost over the years or something to the sort. Plus the CAF claims that they did a title check on the aircraft and nothing was returned, in effect proving that the USAF doesn't claim ownership on the aircraft. The court case will have that title search entered as evidence and the USAF will enter its claims for ownership into evidence, and then the judge and/or jury will then decide who's got the better claim for the aircraft and they'll be awarded the title.

I'm sure it'll be a bit more bitter of a fight than I make it sound, but the basics are the same. Both organizations claim ownership of the aircraft and both believe they have proof showing that they're right. Now it's up to the court to decide who's going to get it.

Yes, thanks for a refresher of the facts. I was close but not completely on the nail. I've heard (But have no facts) that the same arrangement exists for the B-29 and SB2C. If the court finds in favor of the USAF, I can't help but wonder what that will mean for them.

John

[famvburg]

Hmm. It's interesting that it's not listed anywhere on the CAF's site among all their owned a/c. Unless I overlooked it.

[Old Shep]

CAPFlyer has most of the facts....however, we DO have a title; it isn't lost. The B-29 is operated under a slightly different arrangement and is not in any danger of being "repossessed" by the AF. The SB2C is in no way in jeopardy; ditto for all the other airplanes in the fleet. The venue change is not a good thing for the CAF, but not a terrible thing either. Both sides will have their day in court. We are hopeful of a favorable ruling.

Old Shep

[mustanglover]

FAA Registry
N-Number Inquiry Results

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N12102 is Assigned

Aircraft Description

Serial Number 44-65162
Type Registration Corporation
Manufacturer Name NORTH AMERICAN
Certificate Issue Date 04/20/2005
Model F82B
Status Valid
Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Multi-Engine
Type Engine Reciprocating
Pending Number Change None
Dealer No
Date Change Authorized None
Mode S Code 50054734
MFR Year 1944 Fractional Owner NO

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Registered Owner

Name COMMEMORATIVE AIR FORCE
Street PO BOX 62000
City MIDLAND State TEXAS Zip Code 79711-2000
County MIDLAND
Country UNITED STATES

[51fixer]

CAPFlyer has most of the facts....however, we DO have a title; it isn't lost. The B-29 is operated under a slightly different arrangement and is not in any danger of being "repossessed" by the AF. The SB2C is in no way in jeopardy; ditto for all the other airplanes in the fleet. The venue change is not a good thing for the CAF, but not a terrible thing either. Both sides will have their day in court. We are hopeful of a favorable ruling.

Old Shep

Didn't the SB2C come from the Air Museum in the 70s?
Rich

[51fixer]

Registered Owner

Name COMMEMORATIVE AIR FORCE
Street PO BOX 62000
City MIDLAND State TEXAS Zip Code 79711-2000
County MIDLAND
Country UNITED STATES

Registered owner and true legal owner are not always the same in the FAA registration world!
Rich

[mustangdriver]

Just like the C-123 at Air Heritage.