Warbird Information Exchange

You never know when you will need a Spitfire for self defense. Welcome to the forum.

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Chris Henry
EAA Aviation Museum Manager

I wonder if an armed Spit would require a concealed carry permit ?

Welcome David, your Dad's OK, for a card carrying liberal t sip.

David...Welcome



After that comment, I can almost forgive your liberal leanings 'cause you're my kind of "gun nut".

Mudge the shooter

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Land of the free because of the brave

Deleted duplicated...magic box malfunction.

Mudge the duplicitous
(:? That doesn't sound right.)

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Land of the free because of the brave

David and you guys, I got a good laugh out of the thought of the plane being fully armed. As I kid I owned and used guns, pellet guns, 22s shotguns. My Dad was a bird hunter, my older Brother Jimmy was an avid hunter, he would always prefer to be out in the fields or on the golf course rather than in class. I sort of got my fill of killing birds after a dove hunt in Mexico which was more like sitting in the Alamo and waiting for the targets to come in range. I never hunted big game, I just don't look at a beautiful deer or elk and think they would look better dead. Maybe I am a liitle off center on that, as I don't mind looking at them on my plate at a local gourmet restaurant. Unlike in my youth, kids and nuts are now shooting up schools, and to me guns have come to represent so much murder war and violence. Anyway back to the Spit guns. The closest I have come is in firing the 30 cal on the half track with blanks at Breckenridge. I understand the also have a 50 and a 20mm, but the smaller one was loud enough for me.

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Bill Greenwood
Spitfire N308WK

Bill...not to get off the thrust of the thread, but...as far as hunting goes, I have no desire to kill anything that's not trying to kill me. My shooting is limited to mostly long range target (500+ yds.).



All due respect but it sounds to me as if you're blaming the tool (gun) for the action of the user.
Hit yourself on the thumb with a hammer. Don't blame the hammer

Mudge the target shooter

ps...for all you "purists" who are going to whine that this has nothing to do with "warbirds", almost all posts segue into other stuff.

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Hi Bill,

I agree with your hunting thoughts. I'm not one for that either.

I'll stop there because this isn't really related to the thread at all. Only comments made in the thread.

Oh, and Bill, how will we ever tell if your Spit is armed or not, besides all the people running for cover?

Cheers,

David

While I will never fire another weapon, I sure do miss hunting. It's not just the idea of killing what I eat, myself, or the fact that I think we have lost a very important connection to nature by mass producing meat--which prevents us seeing the cost of what we do. I miss waking up before light, freezing my toes off, drinking hot coffee and trying to stay awake ina duck blind while I listen to the wind blow over the marsh. Mind, I could have that without killing ducks and deer. But I could also beat myself about the head and neck with a hammer, and it still wouldn't produce the same effect.

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"I knew the jig was up when I saw the P-51D-20-NA Mustang blue-nosed bastards from Bodney, and by the way the blue was more of a royal blue than an indigo and the inner landing gear interiors were NOT green, over Berlin."

OK now I've seen the propane powered .50s but Bill
have you given any thought to putting some propane 20mm
onboard

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Don't touch my junk!!

is it true the cannon on the A10 will basically stop it in midair? I'm not sure we want to see bill flying backwards do we? Well, maybe we do, but not with flames coming out

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"I knew the jig was up when I saw the P-51D-20-NA Mustang blue-nosed bastards from Bodney, and by the way the blue was more of a royal blue than an indigo and the inner landing gear interiors were NOT green, over Berlin."

Not sure the A-10 cannon would stop it, for an instant, in flight. I kinda' doubt it. I have heard that in WWII that was true of the B-25s that had the 105mm howitzer mounted in the nose. Strictly from memory and remember...I'm old.

Mudge the geezer

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No the 30mm doesn't stop the A-10 when it fires.

I read in Trade a plane today that the B-25 "Barbie III" is for sale. I believe it is an H model with the gun nose including the 75mm( or whatever caliber) cannon in the nose. Now's your chance to see if you can reverse a B-25 ala F-22 Raptor.

I've heard the "large cannon stops 'plane" story related to just about every aircraft that had a big gun fitted. AFAIK, and I've looked, and talked to some aircraft armament experts, there's no evidence that this ever happens.

Certainly the recoil can cause problems to the airframe structure, but that's a different issue.

I believe it relates to one of those quirks of human nature; big gun fitted to aircraft, some one says 'Gee, that'll stop it in the air'; then someone else hears that and says 'I've heard that the big gun stops the airplane in the air'. - Because we all want to believe... Especially over the mass aspect of Newton's third law.

Anyone got any solid evidence? (And please, no 'and here's another story', but solid data supported fact.)

As to 'armed civilian Spitfires', Spitfire G-FIRE was fitted with strobe lighting when flying in air displays in the UK in the 1980s and1990s. Looked vaguely interesting, but was basically unimpressive. Killing the audience is generally regarded as a no-no in showbiz.

Cheers

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James K

"Switch on the underwater landing lights"
Emilio Largo, Thunderball.

www.VintageAeroWriter.com

That would be impossible. Think of the G load going from cruise to zero in a fraction of a second. That's a huge G load on pilot and airplane. And then the airplane suddenly accelerates back to flying speed or else falls out of the sky from the 'instant stall'. What are you guys going to believe next: Mustangdriver with secret knowledge of a flyable SR-71???


Steve G