P-51 free zone

Chicoartist · **Posted:** Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:39 pm

proped up wrote:

It is about time that there was a P-51 free zone . . .

Dude, I hate you already!

proped up wrote:

If anyone knows of a . . . site . . . May be [sic] I'll start my own.

See ya!

Wade

proped up · **Posted:** Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:55 pm

What a touchy lot of old warbird fanatics. There is nothing better than seeing the results of my labour displayed at air shows here and over seas, I am not the least bit interested in the adulation that many in this industry fairly thrive on, if that how they get their jollies, good luck to them. There is a time and place for everything, i am happy to give my time to budding future engineers, but it's the bloke who tries to interrupt you while setting up for an undercarriage retraction test, to ask what is the air pressure in the tail wheel? Please! as i said, a time and a place for everything. It's an interesting range of mostly negative views posted, water of a ducks back really, as for the firing squad, no cigarette please.

daveymac82c · **Posted:** Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:01 pm

Hey Proped Up,

I wonder if people ask you questions like that for some sort of reason.

Maybe they want to show you their "interest" or "knowledge" in warbirds. Most likely they are not the kind of people that get to be around warbirds all the time so they don't have a clue what to say since they're in shock from actually getting seeing a real warbird close up. They might just be trying to make conversation and to sound like they have a clue.

I could be wrong, and they could be the kind of people that ask questions that are so extreme that even experts of an airplane don't care to store that information in their memory.

Cheers,

David

Hal B · **Posted:** Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:05 pm

daveymac82c wrote:

Hey Hal,

Yeah, I'm interested to learn more about Gary Larkins P-39 that he pulled out of Carpenter Lake. There appears to be a scandal that I heard about regarding it. I'm interested to know how the restoration is going and to see any pictures from the recovery and restoration.

What's also strange is how the airplane got to Carpenter Lake in the first place. It's nowhere near the usual ALSIB route. Do you or anyone know how the plane ended up here?

Cheers,

David

Blake Smiths' "Warplanes to Alaska" says that Lt. Carpenter got separated from the rest of his flight in bad weather, got hopelessly lost and wandered around hoping to get his bearings. When fuel got low he found the lake to belly it in on.

The last pictures I saw of the airframe showed it pretty much stripped down and missing a lot of parts. But they were taken a few years ago and things could have changed.

And there also may be the remains of a Norseman in Carpenter Lake, as one was lost during the military salvage effort on the P-39.

O.P. · **Posted:** Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:19 pm

proped up wrote:

What a touchy lot of old warbird fanatics. There is nothing better than seeing the results of my labour displayed at air shows here and over seas, I am not the least bit interested in the adulation that many in this industry fairly thrive on, if that how they get their jollies, good luck to them. There is a time and place for everything, i am happy to give my time to budding future engineers, but it's the bloke who tries to interrupt you while setting up for an undercarriage retraction test, to ask what is the air pressure in the tail wheel? Please! as i said, a time and a place for everything. It's an interesting range of mostly negative views posted, water of a ducks back really, as for the firing squad, no cigarette please.

Whats an undercarriage?

Maannnnn I wanna go back to Perth. I was 17 when I was there. I thought the world was that way everywhere. I was wrong.

Dude, those chicks were like Playboy chicks, and they loved my accent. Hanging and Banging with "Rail Stewardesses", "Dial a Sailor" chicks, "Discoteque" chicks, freakin sweeeetttt. I was throwing away tang that I would never see the like again in my entire life.

Lying by the pool in some chicks parents house who were out of town, backyard, drinking beer and getting lit at 8am, while they went out to get me more emu and weed to tide me over before they went to work. Then talking on her phone while they were gone to another chick to meet up at 8pm.

The original girl didn't even care when 8 rolled around that night, she just handed me off to the new one, and picked me up at 8am at her house so I could sit by the pool all morning again getting lit.

You live in paradise man. I figure you're just pulling our legs.

The only thing I've heard, this is from my buddies, is that Christchurch is Perth doubled. Maybe next year..........

proped up · **Posted:** Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:34 pm

What i am against is the nong who just wont take the hint. I am happy to chat with people who are truly interested, be the question technical or ridiculas, all are answered with a smile, (yes we Aussies do smile, more than i can say for some others) But not when we are busy, if someone is yakking in your ear while your trying to concentrate on your clients multi million dollar investment I'm sure that you would not see the funny side of it. As i said a time and a place, when the pressure is off, out comes the coffee (or tea) and I'll chat all day. It is often a case that a few spoil it for the many, that why the work shop public viewing gallery is mostly off limits now. Anyway that getting off line a tad. I'm still fed up with all the hype over P-51's If that is what you enjoy, good luck to you. Some of the comments posted certainly show the mentality of some of the scribes, i know passions can run high, but hate mail... get a life sport.

Eric Friedebach · **Posted:** Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:37 pm

proped up wrote:

If anyone knows of a registered only site where vintage aviation can be discussed on an intelligent level , please advise. May be I'll start my own.

There are plenty of type-specific restoration and operation discussion groups on the internet.

Your guess is better than mine on how your grand entrance would be welcomed.

O.P. · **Posted:** Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:08 am

proped up wrote:

What i am against is the nong who just wont take the hint. I am happy to chat with people who are truly interested, be the question technical or ridiculas, all are answered with a smile, (yes we Aussies do smile, more than i can say for some others) But not when we are busy, if someone is yakking in your ear while your trying to concentrate on your clients multi million dollar investment I'm sure that you would not see the funny side of it. As i said a time and a place, when the pressure is off, out comes the coffee (or tea) and I'll chat all day. It is often a case that a few spoil it for the many, that why the work shop public viewing gallery is mostly off limits now. Anyway that getting off line a tad. I'm still fed up with all the hype over P-51's If that is what you enjoy, good luck to you. Some of the comments posted certainly show the mentality of some of the scribes, i know passions can run high, but hate mail... get a life sport.

Are you with Pioneer? I know a bro with one of those P-40's and it is freakin sweet. It's like a stock plane.

Ehhh, bad day, I get it. No biggie. The thing I do when (and this airplane specific stuff, I normally only get to talk to the "Computer"experts) is let them talk. It's cool. I got some good stuff at Marina this weekend. Usually by cats who cannot reach the handhold and raise their leg at the same time to climb up on the wing for the super bitchin "Come on over the tape and check it out" tour. They impress themselves and the old lady, everythings cool. They go away.

Besides that, have you been to Perth? Or more importantly, have you been to Chirstchurch? Hmmmmm, back to China, or NZ, then China, decisions, decisions..........

JDK · **Posted:** Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:11 am

Hal B wrote:

JDK wrote:

First - let's not start indefensibly general racist mud-slinging, thanks.

Racist? Don't know about you but I haven't read any "racist" comments in this thread. Unless you consider the comments of someone who's obviously predjudiced against the Mustang :wink:

It was a response to post 2: "Typical Aussie mindset!" - Just because one (insert national here) posts a winge after a bad morning doesn't mean everyone from (insert nation here) is the same... Mmmm? I have passport stamps for visiting the land of Mustang, I think.

Someone sent me a PM regarding my remark calling some engineers tight. I have the utmost respect for most of the engineers I've met and discussed aviation with; but it remains firsthand experience that many won't fess up to pay for a quality magazine, which they like to read, and reckon has a good use in the trade. It's their money, but as someone who is trying to make the magazine (Warbirds Worldwide in this case) it's just one of the ironies.

proped up - I don't know when I've heard such a passive-aggressive intro on WIX. I hope it's because you don't realise how it comes over.

As you know, there's time-wasters and idiots everywhere; the hangar is one of the easier places to keep them out of - try public service or retail work for some real pains to complain about.

Most of WIX would agree with you about the 'problem' of people who choose the wrong moment to bother the engineer / pilot / controller etc, but you didn't really put it over, did you?

I'm famously indifferent to the P-51D; it was a professional position (working with a P-51 historian might do that to anyone) but I don't disparage those who like them; what's the point? As has been said, we start with what we know and go from there.

Why not go out and come back again? You might find that most of us and our lives are going fine, thanks, and you'd be welcome to join and play nicely. (Or if not nicely, at least be entertaining.)

Cheers,

Curtis Block · **Posted:** Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:48 am

Have you tried locking the doorwhen you don't want to be bothered?
Just asking.

proped up · **Posted:** Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:57 am

As the tone of this thread is some what hostile, i will remain totally anonymous. I have been involved in this industry for over 35 years and have worked in many parts of the world. There is nothing more satisfying than seeing the joy of the multitudes enjoying the aircraft that i have had the privilege to be involved with, i am happy to let those who strut around thinking that their gods gift to the industry, we all know the type, it is a sad statement that some of these comments have been made. Personally i live in a free country and can say what i like, someone out there has worked out who i am, and the Email sent was most enlightening, say no more. Hells bells i wonder what would have happened if i canned the Spitfite as well????

Randy Haskin · **Posted:** Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:10 am

I didn't know "Aussie" was a race...or is "P-51 fan" a race?

Is a "P-51 Free Zone" anything like a "No Spin Zone"?

Raven · **Posted:** Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:14 am

What a classic troll. :roll:

proped up wrote:

As the tone of this thread is some what hostile,

Who started it?

Quote:

i will remain totally anonymous.

Who cares?

Quote:

Personally i live in a free country and can say what i like,

Checked out Howard's anti-terrorism laws lately?

As you are hiding, behind a false name, it's hardly brave, is it?

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Hells bells i wonder what would have happened if i canned the Spitfite as well????

Not a lot really. It's not the Mustang that was the problem, it was the general offensiveness.

As you are clearly 'Gods gift', don't let us delay you on your progress.

JDK · **Posted:** Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:19 am

Randy Haskin wrote:

I didn't know "Aussie" was a race...or is "P-51 fan" a race?

Sigh. Perhaps it world be better if I said "I'd like to apologise for my (alleged) fellow countryman, he knows not what he does. Not all Aussies behave badly." OK?

Scott Rose · **Posted:** Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:42 am

Okay everyone calm down

When I started WIX it was with several goals. The first being to keep the Warbirds Worldwide online community together. The second was to bring all of the warbird enthusiast together and allow them to interact with other and enthusiasts as well as warbird owners and operators. We have been quite successful at doing both. Some owners and warbird "people" come off as elitist at times because they are asked the same questions repeatedly and anybody would tire of that pretty quickly. On the other hand, some enthusiasts come off as geeks because they are obsessive about the subject but have limited access to the aircraft. What they know is usually from books. So when they get access to somebody or some aircraft they tend to gush at the best of times, and hyper criticize at the worst. We all need to show a little tolerance and look at things from the others viewpoint, have a little patience, and show some respect for each other and a little discretion before we speak or post.

And yes, I have joked that the P-51 is the Cessna of warbirds, but do you know what? It is still a WARBIRD, and there is no such thing as a bad warbird or too many of them.

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