Football Game Flyovers

Bluedharma · **Posted:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 4:37 pm

I have two questions that thought I would run by the WIX forum.

QUESTION 1.) Is there a website that lists "game-day" flyovers?

About two weeks ago, I happened to be listening to the radio and heard about the B-2 that would visit the Denver region.

I wish there was a website that would list these possible flyovers...
They really are not "air show" events as they only last 45 sec or so...
but it would be nice to know of local B-2/warbird visits.

QUESTION 2.) The "United States" Economy is not doing so well...
Taxes may or may not go up... Gas prices are up there...
So where does this money come from????

http://www.roanoke.com/columnists/kennedy/wb/32729 wrote:

Since Aug. 1 and continuing through Sept. 30, the Air Force is, according to its air show Web site,
"suspending all aviation support for community relations" at events such as parades,
festivals and amateur sporting contests, including college football games.

It costs about $14,000 USD an hour to operate these training runs to the Football stadium.

I love the flyover... but that is some serious cash that is being spent...

Do the Denver Broncos put up some of that money??? Or do our taxes cover the bill?
If we are paying the taxes for this kind of training mission, shouldn't the flyovers be more publicized??? "
I know... don't bite the hand that feeds your hobby... but how is this getting paid for?

Best Regards,

bluethunder28 · **Joined:** Fri Jan 27, 2006 2:26 am **Posts:** 199

http://www.acc.af.mil/aerialevents/

ACC AERIAL EVENTS SCHEDULE

The following is the schedule for the current flying season of 2008. Season officially ends mid-November.

LEGEND:
Demos are indicated by the team name: F-22 East from Langley; F-15E East from Seymour-Johnson; F-15 West from Eglin; F-16 East from Shaw; F-16 West from Hill; A-10 West from Davis-Monthan.

Heritage Flight is shown with the letters HF followed by the type aircraft flying with the demo team.

(xx, xx) shows the date(s) a team or aircraft will perform at that location if different than the Date column.

September 2008
Date Location Event Aircraft / Type Event
24 Tri-Cities, WA Air Show A-10 West, F-15E East, HF A-1
25 Minot AFB, ND POW/MIA Recognition 1 x B-52 Flyover
25 Sweetwater, TX OPERATION FIFINELLA 1 x B-1 Flyover
27 Chico, CA Air Show A-10 West, HF P-51, 1 x T-38 Flyover
27-28 Salinas, CA Air Show F-15E East, HF P-38
27-28 Grand Junction, CO Air Show F-15 West, F-16 West, HF P-51

Page Down for Next Month

October 2008
Date Location Event Aircraft / Type Event
1 Tucumcari, NM Air Show F-15E East, HF P-40
3-5 MCAS Miramar, CA Air Show F-16 West, F-22 East,
HF P-51
4-5 Kunsan AB, Korea Open House A-10 West
4 USAFA, CO NCAA Football Game B-2 Flyover
4 Vance AFB, OK Open House F-15 West, B-2 Flyover
4-5 El Paso, TX Air Show F-15E East, F-16 East, HF P-40,
B-2 Flyover (4)
11 Omaha, NE NCAA Football Game B-2 Flyover
11 Wellington, KS Air Show F-15E East, HF P-38
11-12 San Francisco, CA Air Show F-16 West, HF F-86
12 San Francisco, CA NFL Game HF with F-16 West & F-86
11-12 Peachtree City, GA Air Show F-16 East, HF P-51
11-12 Ft. Worth, TX Air Show F-15 West, HF P-40
11-12 Osan AB, Korea Open House A-10 West
18-19 Little Rock AFB, AR Open House F-16 West, HF P-40
18-19 Dobbins ARB, GA Open House F-15E East, F-22 East, HF P-51
19 Nelllis AFB, NV POW/MIA Retreat 4 x F-16 Flyover [1] w/missing man pull
19 USAFA, CO Noon Meal Formation 2 x T-38 Flyover [1]
25-26 Houston, TX Air Show A-10 West
25-26 NAS Jacksonville, FL Air Show F-15 West, F-16 East, HF F-86
26 Jacksonville, FL NFL Game HF with F-15 West / F-16 East / F-86

November 2008
Date Location Event Aircraft / Type Event
1 Thermal, CA Air Show A-10 West, F-16 West, HF P-38
1-2 Lackland AFB, TX Open House F-15E East, F-16 East, F-22 East, HF P-40
1-2 Lafayette, LA Air Show F-15 West, HF P-51
7-9 Nellis AFB, NV Open House F-15E East, F-22 East,
HF P-38 & P-51
8 Lincoln, NE NCAA Football Game B-2 Flyover
8 Lexington, VA NCAA Football Game B-2 Flyover
8-9 Kennedy Space Center, FL Air Show A-10 West, F-16 East, HF F-4
8-9 Stuart, FL Air Show F-15 West, F-16 West, HF F-4
14-15 NAS Pensacola, FL Air Show F-15 West, F-16 East, HF F-4
16 Jacksonville, FL NFL Football Game B-2 Flyover
16 Kansas City, MO NFL Football Game B-2 Flyover

Point of Contact
HQ ACC/A3TA, Aerial Events Branch, 205 Dodd Blvd., Ste. 101, Langley AFB, VA 23665-2789. E-mail: acc.a3ta@langley.af.mil. Commercial: 757-764-8174; DSN 574-8174.
Page Last Reviewed 24 September 2008

Now as far as #2 goes, there are lots of "practice" flights every day. We are blessed that we can ask for a "practice" flight over sporting events. So a flight can go to point A then points B, C and D before flying over point E (Denver) or they can replace point E with Great Bend KS where nobody would see it. It's a win win. We win when see them and they win when the flight is used as a training mission and a promotion for the USAF.

Bluedharma · **Posted:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 5:20 pm

Thank you!
I have also found the Navy one.
http://www.navy.mil/navco/airshows/tacdemo2008.html
This will give me something to look forward to!

Kyleb · **Posted:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:10 pm

Bluedharma wrote:

I have two questions that thought I would run by the WIX forum.

QUESTION 1.) Is there a website that lists "game-day" flyovers?

About two weeks ago, I happened to be listening to the radio and heard about the B-2 that would visit the Denver region.

I wish there was a website that would list these possible flyovers...
They really are not "air show" events as they only last 45 sec or so...
but it would be nice to know of local B-2/warbird visits.

QUESTION 2.) The "United States" Economy is not doing so well...
Taxes may or may not go up... Gas prices are up there...
So where does this money come from????

http://www.roanoke.com/columnists/kennedy/wb/32729 wrote:

Since Aug. 1 and continuing through Sept. 30, the Air Force is, according to its air show Web site,
"suspending all aviation support for community relations" at events such as parades,
festivals and amateur sporting contests, including college football games.

It costs about $14,000 USD an hour to operate these training runs to the Football stadium.

I love the flyover... but that is some serious cash that is being spent...

Do the Denver Broncos put up some of that money??? Or do our taxes cover the bill?
If we are paying the taxes for this kind of training mission, shouldn't the flyovers be more publicized??? "
I know... don't bite the hand that feeds your hobby... but how is this getting paid for?

Best Regards,

It's public relations. Just like the recruiting billboards along the interstate. The USAF and eventually the taxpayer pay for it. I have no problem with fly-bys, nor do I have any problem with demo teams, etc.

Bluedharma · **Posted:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 6:18 pm

Kyleb wrote:

It's public relations. Just like the recruiting billboards along the interstate. The USAF and eventually the taxpayer pay for it.
I have no problem with fly-bys, nor do I have any problem with demo teams, etc.

I don't have any problems with the fly-bys... but I "just" happened to hear about it because my radio was on and I happened to be in the car.
My point is...If a B-2 is flying into town... I think it should generate a little more hype.
At least for the public relations part. I was unaware of the websites bluethunder28 provided.
I didn't know if these were promo flights... or if the football team pays for it.
I just wish there was a little more on the TV or the paper about it.

If they are going to continue these promotional fly-overs, the USAF should adopt a more aggressive manner of advertising it as a community building event.

I am not the only one who is curious who pays for this. (See quote below)
I love the flyovers and the aircraft... others may not... and the USAF will have to justify why they did it for the Broncos...
(most people will not understand that it is a training exercise.)

http://www.roanoke.com/columnists/kennedy/wb/32729

From above link wrote:

When a curmudgeon I know heard that a United States Air Force B2 Stealth bomber would fly over Virginia Tech's Lane Stadium
before the kickoff of the home football opener this afternoon,
he wondered how the federal government can spend tax dollars on such frills with the budget in disarray and the nation on a wartime footing.

Best Regards,

bdk · **Joined:** Sun May 02, 2004 1:16 am **Posts:** 11324

Heritage flights and aerobatic displays notwithstanding, these flights are typically training missions that are diverted for the flyover, or the termination point of a training flight. The government pays the cost, not the airshow.

Hellcat · **Posted:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 8:30 pm

bdk wrote:

Heritage flights and aerobatic displays notwithstanding, these flights are typically training missions that are diverted for the flyover, or the termination point of a training flight. The government pays the cost, not the airshow.

No!!! ... the Government does NOT pay for it, WE taxpayers pay for it. Period!!!! .... don't get confused. And they are NOT diverted training missions. They ARE intentionally scheduled flights. How do I know? I have a friend who has flown a few of these flights. .... I have no problem with them, but 9 out of 10 taxpayers have a BIG problem with them.

mustangdriver · **Posted:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:37 pm

Well if I have to pay for something, it might as well be something I enjoy. Let's do more of them

Bluedharma · **Posted:** Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:48 pm

The training flights will happen anyway...
The big problem is 9 out of 10 think that 45 sec flight is for football.
I think the USAF should promote the training value (entertain and train) to the general Public.
Hype up the visit a bit.That may help.

Best Regards,

kenlyco · **Joined:** Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:05 pm **Posts:** 656

When you say goverment pays for it ,that means the taxpayer's, and I think that some of the flyover's are just rolled into flight hour's that military pilot's have to have each month. Randy can probly answer that one.

bdk · **Joined:** Sun May 02, 2004 1:16 am **Posts:** 11324

Hellcat wrote:

No!!! ... the Government does NOT pay for it, WE taxpayers pay for it. Period!!!! .... don't get confused. And they are NOT diverted training missions. They ARE intentionally scheduled flights. How do I know? I have a friend who has flown a few of these flights. .... I have no problem with them, but 9 out of 10 taxpayers have a BIG problem with them.

Oh puh-leeze! From your statement you'd think that I've never had to pay taxes and had no idea that taxes fund the government. My point is that the government doesn't charge the airshow for their attendance. It may cost a rental car or two and a some hotel rooms for the crew, but that's about it. The fighter guys also have government credit cards to fill up the F-18 at podunk regional to do their display and to get back home.

And I have a few friends too... Maybe not as many as you do though. If they aren't on a mission, it is a training flight, right? Did I suggest anywhere these were unscheduled flights? Certainly the crew has some discretion, with management approval, for the destination and any side trips they take on their training flights.

Where do you get your factoids from? I can't imagine that anyone has taken the poll you describe. That's a little over the top.

kenlyco · **Joined:** Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:05 pm **Posts:** 656

I think also if a military Aircraft goes into a field they will fuel with the FBO that has got the military fuel contract, which the retailer is fueling for a pumping charge. They call it moving product for pennies.

Hellcat · **Posted:** Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:35 am

Take it easy, I'm not throwing stones at you, I'm sure you pay plenty to uncle Sam, just pointing out a few facts that are for certain. Unless my USAF friend is bullsh*ting me, which I would think he isn't, most, if not all, flights are scheduled well in advance. Maybe I'm wrong, ... whatever, I'm still one of the folks paying for the ride. So are you.

mlenoch · **Posted:** Thu Sep 25, 2008 12:48 am

What is the cost for the military branches to sponsor a NASCAR team? Or NHRA dragster? Curious about that cost also.
VL

The Inspector · **Posted:** Thu Sep 25, 2008 1:10 am

I enjoy and look forward to the flyovers @ the start of NASCAR races, I just wish the directors of those races would spend a bit more than 3.76 seconds on the aircraft flying over, and less time watching the pit crews be the 'high fivin' white guys' after the obligatory off key, makes dogs for blocks around nauseous, screeching singer (you've never heard of or since) of the Star Spangled Banner. We get plenty of time to watch the pit crews over the course of a 500 mile race (like every 10 laps @ the NASCAR Indy 400) let me watch my tax dollars be shown off!!!!
We were disappointed back in 99 @ Fontana when the announced Chino warbird fly over was axed because the field @ Chino was fogged in, we were compensated by four F-16's who snuck just into the 'double thump' zone for a couple of seconds.............. :wink:

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