Rod Lewis is getting an A-20!

warbird1 · **Joined:** Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:25 pm **Posts:** 2760

RMAllnutt wrote:

warbird1 wrote:

oz rb fan wrote:

one has gone to the raf museum at hendon not sure on the others though yagen was mentioned in the aviation press when Murray got them,why do you say that he's not getting one?

Because it's been confirmed in a previous thread here.

Are you sure it's confirmed? Reading through that previous thread didn't clear it up for me for certain, although it did sound likely that the A-20 had gone on to another owner.

Cheers,
Richard

Well between DaveM2's cryptic non-denial and CraigQ's lack of any info, I think we can pretty well infer that the plane has been sold or transferred and that Yagen currently has nothing to do with it. Obviously there is a party involved who does not want the public to know that they own it. Just speculation here, but it sounds very Paul Allen-ish to me, btw. Even though Vulcan is out of the "black", they still hide a lot of secrets when it comes to their holdings. For example, how many people realize that Allen has a Mosquito? Probably not many, and that's by design, of course!

warbird1 · **Joined:** Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:25 pm **Posts:** 2760

RMAllnutt wrote:

Edit: Just got direct confirmation that MAM do indeed own an A-20 at Precision, but no work has been made on the project as of yet.

Who is MAM?

warbirdguy · **Posted:** Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:00 pm

warbird1 wrote:

RMAllnutt wrote:

Edit: Just got direct confirmation that MAM do indeed own an A-20 at Precision, but no work has been made on the project as of yet.

Who is MAM?

I believe MAM is Military Aviation Museum (Yagen's)

warbird1 · **Joined:** Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:25 pm **Posts:** 2760

warbirdguy wrote:

warbird1 wrote:

RMAllnutt wrote:

Edit: Just got direct confirmation that MAM do indeed own an A-20 at Precision, but no work has been made on the project as of yet.

Who is MAM?

I believe MAM is Military Aviation Museum (Yagen's)

Oh yea, duuuuhhh. I'm so used to hearing Fighter Factory, that those initials just didn't click. Thanks.

So, disregard everything I said earlier. Now, we CAN confirm that one is Yagen's. I wonder why all the secrecy then, especially since that fact has already been published?

RMAllnutt · **Posted:** Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:34 pm

warbird1 wrote:

RMAllnutt wrote:

Edit: Just got direct confirmation that MAM do indeed own an A-20 at Precision, but no work has been made on the project as of yet.

Who is MAM?

Sorry.... it's Jerry Yagen's Military Aviation Museum. I heard the news directly from the man himself this evening.

Cheers,
Richard

RMAllnutt · **Posted:** Sat Dec 04, 2010 8:48 pm

warbird1 wrote:

warbirdguy wrote:

warbird1 wrote:

I believe MAM is Military Aviation Museum (Yagen's)

Oh yea, duuuuhhh. I'm so used to hearing Fighter Factory, that those initials just didn't click. Thanks.

So, disregard everything I said earlier. Now, we CAN confirm that one is Yagen's. I wonder why all the secrecy then, especially since that fact has already been published?

I don't think there was any secrecy. The project just hasn't been worked on for a long time, and therefore wouldn't be a common thread of news. I guess because there were no updates, it sort of got forgotten about over the years. I wrote a significant article on MAM for Aircraft Illustrated (now Aircraft Magazine) when the museum first opened... around 2007 if I remember correctly. The museum had about 60 aircraft on the books at the time, and has expanded significantly since, so it's no surprise that an aircraft or two could be forgotten about... especially if they haven't been worked on. I did list the A-20 in the article, if I remember correctly, and know I discussed it with Jerry at the time. Aircraft do have a habit of changing hands quietly though, which is why I sought confirmation tonight, as it would have been an interesting topic to report upon if a new owner was having her restored somewhere. Dave McDonald's research credentials are impeccable too, and I can't imagine him making a mistake easily on something that significant... It can and does happen to the best of us of course, but not in this case.

Cheers,
Richard

Jack Cook · **Posted:** Sat Dec 04, 2010 9:15 pm

No-no-no....ETO!

or....................

warbird1 · **Joined:** Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:25 pm **Posts:** 2760

Thanks for the report and clearing things up for us, Richard. It's much appreciated and always nice to hear from the source rather than rumor and innuendo.

Did Gerry say anything about the timeline of the restoration of his A-20 or is it waaaay on the backburner?

warbird1 · **Joined:** Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:25 pm **Posts:** 2760

Jack Cook wrote:

This one is about as politically correct as "Big Nig". Cool play on words, though!

RMAllnutt · **Posted:** Sat Dec 04, 2010 10:15 pm

warbird1 wrote:

Thanks for the report and clearing things up for us, Richard. It's much appreciated and always nice to hear from the source rather than rumor and innuendo.

Did Gerry say anything about the timeline of the restoration of his A-20 or is it waaaay on the backburner?

Hiya... you are most welcome. Jerry didn't say anything about a timeline, but given the number, and the complexity of restorations he has on the go at the moment, I would imagine it's on the back burner. This might also of course be set by the work schedule at Precision of course, but that is purely speculation on my part. Jerry's worked miracles in my opinion. I don't think there is another museum out there that has accumulated so much so quickly, nor restored/had restored so many aircraft all at one time so successfully. Many of the aircraft regularly appear at air shows too. Jerry and his team have really accomplished a great deal to be very proud of.

Cheers,
Richard

gregv · **Posted:** Sat Dec 04, 2010 11:02 pm

Hemiman wrote:

Great news indeed!!

I know a bunch of the 3rd's people are happy to have it stay and eventually flying in the states. Some suggestions on some noseart ??

Bill

Would this be a similar treatment to what was done to the famous B-25 "Tondelayo" when it/she was turned into "Chow Hound" for use as a hack and "Fat Cat" runs? The name certainly fits!

great shots btw!

greg v.

Steve Nelson · **Posted:** Sun Dec 05, 2010 2:47 am

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This one is about as politically correct as "Big Nig".

I understand that name actually has no racial overtones. Like many aircraft in that squdron, it was named after a fictional character mentioned in a Damon Runyon novel. The nose arts were characatures of the pilots.

I'm sure that won't stop some from taking misplaced offense, though. I remember some years back a college professor was either fired or forced to resign after using the word "niggardly" in a speech. Of course the word has nothing to do with race, but some overly senstive and not particurlarly literate folks immediately screamed for his head. :roll:

SN

Jack Cook · **Posted:** Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:28 pm

OK well then.....................

Jack Cook · **Posted:** Sun Dec 05, 2010 1:29 pm

warbird1 · **Joined:** Fri Sep 21, 2007 6:25 pm **Posts:** 2760

Steve Nelson wrote:

Quote:

This one is about as politically correct as "Big Nig".

I understand that name actually has no racial overtones. Like many aircraft in that squdron, it was named after a fictional character mentioned in a Damon Runyon novel. The nose arts were characatures of the pilots.

I'm sure that won't stop some from taking misplaced offense, though. I remember some years back a college professor was either fired or forced to resign after using the word "niggardly" in a speech. Of course the word has nothing to do with race, but some overly senstive and not particurlarly literate folks immediately screamed for his head. :roll:

SN

You and I are both aware of the story behind the name, but the general public isn't. Political correctness is not about reality, it's all about perception. In this case, the perception would be bad, despite the truth. It's the same thing with Guy Gibson's dog. It will be interesting to see if it keeps it's original name in the "Dambusters" remake currently being filmed.

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