Warbird Information Exchange

This has got to be in the top two or three stupidest things ever posted on this site. I'm out of here.

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"I knew the jig was up when I saw the P-51D-20-NA Mustang blue-nosed bastards from Bodney, and by the way the blue was more of a royal blue than an indigo and the inner landing gear interiors were NOT green, over Berlin."

I've been involved with importing and exporting WWII fighters.
The US Gov considers them to be a weapon of war. It doesn't matter they haven't fired a shot in 50+ years.
There are export and import restrictions and scrutiny applied to them that aren't applied to a Cessna or Piper.
Probably the majority of warbirds are or have been operated in the US and the US Constitution and the way our Government operates will touch on the operation of these aircraft.
Politics, personal property rights and UN Treaties may all have an impact and collide to impact operation of them here in the US.
Over the last several years I haven't heard of any other part of the World that politics and Government concerns seem to be a threat to continued Warbird operation. At least in the sense that we expect operations to be more restrictive and have more unknowns in the future rather than being the same or easier to operate.
If this is the same in other nations I would like to know more.
If it isn't let us discuss our problems and concerns.
As it is an International audience here a reduction in flying aircraft or operations in the US will adversely affect what is seen and discussed here as will as in the magazines and other web sites around the world.

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Rich Palmer

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As you know, I've got a lot of time for your input and experience Rich. I sometimes think you're right, too.

Me neither. Nor do I think that warbirds are likely to be an issue under the treaty (if it gets past all the hurdles) and if there is a real threat, it will be able to be addressed in a democratic society. If it can't the issue's going to be a d@mn sight more important than warbirds. (And this isn't the forum for "d@amn sight more important than warbirds".)

Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be possible here.

Firstly it's Chicken-Licken scaremongering at the moment, and secondly there's a lot of other neat old aeroplane stuff going on outside the US as well. We'll miss your involvement, sure, but we'll give you a good fire-sale price on your CAC Mustangs, if you have to divest...

Regards,

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James K

"Switch on the underwater landing lights"
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Muddy,

POTUS can make treaties and the Sentate can ratify, but they should not ( and cannot) trump the Constitution and Bill of Rights. The only way to change that is to Amend. I happen to own a warbird, armor and firearms ( even class III). All these things I enjoy are at the mercy of the gov't. A stroke of the pen would render hard work and many thousand dollars worthless. I can sit in a plane which fought in the skies over Viet Nam, drive a armored car used in WWII, and hold a carbine like that used by the 7th Cavalry at Little Bighorn. I can touch history.

" You don't need (a warbird, armored car, or machine gun), so they should be illegal". What if I want one and have a good time exercising my liberties with any or all of them? Need and want are 2 different things, but in a free society you should have both should you want.

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James K

"Switch on the underwater landing lights"
Emilio Largo, Thunderball.

www.VintageAeroWriter.com

Which is why we have a Supreme Court. You know, balance of powers? We still have that conservative balanced SCOTUS that W packed to keep your rights to own bazooka's safe. Of course, that could be taken way with the pull of a trigger...So I guess youre right. We should all run around in circles crying and waving our hands in the air and claiming socialists are taking or country over like idiots.

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"I knew the jig was up when I saw the P-51D-20-NA Mustang blue-nosed bastards from Bodney, and by the way the blue was more of a royal blue than an indigo and the inner landing gear interiors were NOT green, over Berlin."

This has got to be in the top two or three stupidest things ever posted on this site. I'm out of here.[/quote]


Muddy,

POTUS can make treaties and the Sentate can ratify, but they should not ( and cannot) trump the Constitution and Bill of Rights. [/quote]
Which is why we have a Supreme Court. You know, balance of powers? We still have that conservative balanced SCOTUS that W packed to keep your rights to own bazooka's safe. Of course, that could be taken way with the pull of a trigger...So I guess youre right. We should all run around in circles crying and waving our hands in the air and claiming socialists are taking or country over like idiots.[/quote]

Muddy,
This was and interesting controlled debate. You come I. With words like stupid and idiots. I think we can discuss this without the name calling.
Yes you can own a registered destructive device bazooka, just pay the tax stamp.
This is a pixel of the bigger picture, our liberties are being eroded. There is no doubt in my mind about that.

This debate veered into slandering the President of the United States and I replied. I refrained from doing it when W was eroding the constitution and conservatives were applauding him here, I expect the same respect. It is still the same constitution, we still have the same balance of powers in force, whining and crying that the socialist president is out to sell us all to the Chinese and the Russians is idiocy. I won't use any other word to describe it. It's moronic, and it's political, which was until recently barred from WIX. I guess that's changed recently and nobody posted the new rules.


Obama on gun control:
He pledged to “continue to work with members of both parties and with religious groups and with civic organizations to arrive at a consensus around violence reduction”. He suggested that steps to prevent criminals or people with mental health issues from buying guns “shouldn't be controversial, they should be common sense”.

This is the only comment he has made about controlling any of the things discussed in this treaty, FWIW. Hardly a socialist conspiracy to end your rights to own weapons, is it? Weeeee this newfound ability to talk political is is awesome. We should talk about Romney next. I can REALLY have fun with that flip flopper.

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"I knew the jig was up when I saw the P-51D-20-NA Mustang blue-nosed bastards from Bodney, and by the way the blue was more of a royal blue than an indigo and the inner landing gear interiors were NOT green, over Berlin."

The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

I don't think I've ever seen more alarmists come out of the woodwork during the current presidential administration than I've seen in the last 40 years. I've seen some very educated people coming up with some really goofy stuff. I had a co-worker tell me the other day in total seriousness that Obama is going to declare marshal law so he can subjugate presidential term limits and stay in office once he gets re-elected.

The boogey man ain't going to get ya! Relax people.

Clay, when were you in Afghanistan? I've gone back and read a couple of thousand pages of posts on this site and you have never mentioned being there before. I've seen various posts about your military career and you mention a lot of other places you were, but never Afghanistan. I was there in early December of 1979. I had to leave in a hurry and have only been back a couple of times in the last two decades.

The President also said he would "work under the radar" to push gun control. He said it, I did not. Fast and furious killed both Americans and Mexicans. No slander here just his words and actions of his administration.

The government should remember something called the Second Amendment...... And if the United Nutjobs decide to change OUR law, then we break away from the U.N.

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President Obama's EPA also tried to regulate lead bullets out of existence. The SCOTUS did find it was a tax not originating from the House and found it unconstitutional . The same may happen to aircraft at any time ( Pb in the gas).

I had a cousin that went to do some work there to set up some communications equipment for the Department of State after I separated from my wife (right after I went climbing in the Tetons but before I moved to Northern California)). I got to go along as a "support tech" which meant I dragged boxes around and paid for a semester of school. I never mentioned it because it didn't seem like a big deal at the time. You'll also remember I was none too sane at the time, having lost everything I owned and my wife in the space of a week. I was a pretty much a tourist except I didn't get to wander around Kabul at all. Of all the places I've been it's the second sugar. It runs a very close second to Somolia. I've never mentioned it because I didn't think it was worth bringing up and I've tried to put that period of my life in a box under the bed. I also don't talk about a lot of the crap I did as a soldier, for the same reason. Only reason I brought it up this time was as part of a joke. I hardly consider myself a veteran of Afghanistan, but I know enough to know I don't want to go back.

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"I knew the jig was up when I saw the P-51D-20-NA Mustang blue-nosed bastards from Bodney, and by the way the blue was more of a royal blue than an indigo and the inner landing gear interiors were NOT green, over Berlin."

On Thursday, a bipartisan group of 51 US senators threatened to oppose any agreement that infringed on the constitutional right to bear arms.

Our Constitution at work. Can we all repeat after Muddy "I will quit running around like a chicken with it's head cut off every time someone mentions gun control,"

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"I knew the jig was up when I saw the P-51D-20-NA Mustang blue-nosed bastards from Bodney, and by the way the blue was more of a royal blue than an indigo and the inner landing gear interiors were NOT green, over Berlin."