DC-3 Duggy info needed

Roger Cain · **Posted:** Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:41 pm

I usually don't do this, but at the moment, I'm unable to find my data on this machine. I photographed it at the Reno Air Races, this past September. Anyone got the tail number handy?

Steven M. Dennis · **Posted:** Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:48 pm

Roger,

I have it listed as N1XP. It used to be painted in North Dakota ANG colors with the s/n 0-93800. I believe the c/n is 4733.

Hope this helps.

Steve :wink:

Roger Cain · **Posted:** Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:58 pm

Thanks for the fast reply Steve, just what I was looking for. Trying to get some pictures up this weekend on the chapter website from the Reno Air Races.

Mike · **Joined:** Tue May 04, 2004 8:54 am **Posts:** 3331

http://www.duggy.com/DUGGY/About_Real_Duggy.html

mrhenniger · **Posted:** Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:59 am

Duggy was featured in a recent issue of Warbird Digest.

Mike

BLR · **Joined:** Mon May 03, 2004 2:47 pm **Posts:** 425

This DC-3 is Ex-Transport Canada (TC) CF-DOT. In its last years in government service is was operated by TC for the Canadian Coast Guard in a pollution patrol role and was based out of Vancouver International airport.

I also have this info I had found on the internet.

38630 (c/n 4733) to USAAF Sep 20, 1942 - 5th AF, Australia Oct 26, 1942, operated as ‘VHCDR’, later ‘VHCFV Duchess’ - Pacific Wing ATC Sep 22, 1944 - USA Aug 11, 1945 - To RFC Apr 24, 1946. To civil registry as NC843 (Wien Air Alaska Dec 1946), N843K (Rr), CF-DOT (Canadian Dept of Transport ‘960’ feb 28, 1950), C-FDOT (Rr 1975). Last N1XP with Odegaard Aviation Inc, North Kindred, ND. May 14, 1998 to 2006

The Duggy website says it was restored to original ANG colours, the colours look suspiciously similar to Transport Canada scheme.

Photos of this aircraft with the Coast Guard can be found at http://www.pacific.ccg-gcc.gc.ca/photos ... age1_e.htm

This photo from the website is CF-DOT being picked up by its new owner after being surplused by Transport Canada.

HTH

Brian....

Roger Cain · **Posted:** Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:14 pm

Thanks all for the replies. I got a bit on the lazy side, and didn't do my usual research on it. I've attached a picture of it at the Reno Air Races in 2000. I also saw it painted in these ND Air Guard colors at Oshkosh during my last visit there in 1998.

Tulio · **Joined:** Mon May 03, 2004 1:05 am **Posts:** 3236

Certainly not a clear shot, but until I find the other photos, this will have to do.

Photo shot by me, when we visited Fargo, ND in August 2003, with Dick Philips.

Saludos,

Tulio

Roger Cain · **Posted:** Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:13 pm

For those interested, I finally got some pictures posted from the Reno Air Races this past year. As there are dozens of websites with nice racing pictures, I put up the show planes you won't find on most of those, and a few new paint schemed racers. http://www.norcalaahs.org/reno2005.htm (Scott, you can update your jet file picture of N80FS if you'd like?)

Mike · **Joined:** Tue May 04, 2004 8:54 am **Posts:** 3331

Some very nice shots there Roger.

I do like the Widgeon, it must have only been there for part of the week, as I was there on the Fri and Sat and can't remember seeing it. Just one thing though, that 'authentic' FAA scheme is about as authentic as painting a P-40 gloss pink and calling it a desert scheme, I'm afraid.

Roger Cain · **Posted:** Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:37 pm

As I recall, William T. Larkins took a picture of one just like that back in the 1940's. He thought the scheme may have come from a picture he took. Of course his photo's were in black and white, so maybe the green is off a bit? I can correct this text if your sure about it?

PS. The Widgeon was just there on Sunday

Roger Cain · **Posted:** Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:00 pm

Okay Mike,

You sent me digging deeper into the vault. I also contacted WTL and he posed with one back durng WWII or thereabouts (see picture below). WTL referred me to another book "Surplus WWII U.S. Aircraft" that shows a picture of an RN J4F-2 in this scheme (FP456) on page 28. Also if you have the Grumman Guide book (1976), page 49 shows a full frame camoflauged pictured (FP-458) along with the info of 15 lend-leased Widgeons to the Royal Navy, FP455-FP469. If your talking about the plane having a glossy finish, that's kind of an obvious given.

Mike · **Joined:** Tue May 04, 2004 8:54 am **Posts:** 3331

The camouflage colours (should be Dark Slate Grey and Extra Dark Sea Grey with Sky Type 'S' undersurfaces.) , roundel styles and fin flash are all incorrect for WWII-era fleet air arm. The picture that you posted clearly shows the correct roundel style for the period. Not to mention the incorrect gloss finish that you've already mentioned.

A bit like painting a P-47 in glossy Vietnam-era camouflage with post-war stars-and-bars with a red stripe in, then adding 56th FG codes and calling it an authentic representation of a wartime camoufaged 56th FG machine.

Roger Cain · **Posted:** Sun Jan 15, 2006 7:40 pm

Just for info. Ps. I corrected my info on the above mentioned picture this morning...............

The first picture is borrowed from Mitch Mayborn's "Grumman Guidebook"

This second one is borrowed from WTL's newly released "Surplus WWII U.S. Aircraft" book

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