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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 9:04 am 
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The Aeroplane and Classic Wings magazines have both reported on a Martin Maryland found in Africa.
The RAF museum has said it can't afford to recover it.

Perhaps the Martin museum could get it? The Maryland was not operated by the USAAF, so they're not going to be interested.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 10:06 am 
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It's worth going after. It's a good investment. This is one I would actually put some investment money in , if a consortium of investors were put together to bring it back. Like the Brewster Buffalo, it's a once extinct combat type. Kermit weeks may be interested as it kind of fits the profile of his collection. Just like the Russian finds, no one wants to deal with a corrupt govt., but once it's landed in the U.S. it's value increases considerably and it might take a few years for a national museum to raise the money or have a donor come forward.
WHy doesn't someone contact Pat Epps, he initiated the retrieval of Glacier Girl? This would be easier.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 10:14 am 
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I'm surprised the RAF Museum wouldn't try harder to get it, considering this is the type which WC Adrian Warburton used for his insane low-low-LOW level reconnaissance of the Taranto harbor on 11 November 1940, prior to the Swordfish laying waste to the ships within that night. Backstory: the cameras in his Maryland failed for some reason and after several orbits of the area waiting to get the cameras working, he dove down and flew so low, his observer simply read the names on the ships as they rocketed past.

That aircraft absolutely MUST be preserved and restored- whether in RAF or French Aeronavale markings does not matter to me, what matters is that a previously extinct example of Martin's history has been found and needs to be brought home!

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there are several of these and many other types in Lake Victoria in Africa shared by Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 16, 2015 12:45 pm 
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marine air wrote:
It's worth going after. It's a good investment. This is one I would actually put some investment money in , if a consortium of investors were put together to bring it back. Like the Brewster Buffalo, it's a once extinct combat type. Kermit weeks may be interested as it kind of fits the profile of his collection. Just like the Russian finds, no one wants to deal with a corrupt govt., but once it's landed in the U.S. it's value increases considerably and it might take a few years for a national museum to raise the money or have a donor come forward.
WHy doesn't someone contact Pat Epps, he initiated the retrieval of Glacier Girl? This would be easier.


...but if its value is measured only in cash, then maybe it should be left where it is. I assumed it was worth more than that.


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Everything has a monetary value.. even the most historic of items.
Furthermore, cost is absolutely a consideration when looking at any restoration and recovery. Even a recovery to display this aircraft as it sits now will likely take a lot of money for negotiations with foreign owners/governments, import/export, transportation, travel, time, etc. Therefore, I think MarineAir's post is valid and something to think about. I hope someone can get it!

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I've read it's a french one, a 167F.


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Photo in the Classic Wings thread.

Assumptions about the RAF Museum are incorrect

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RAAF 458 and 459 Sqn flew "loaned" RAF Marylands on operational missions with the Desert Air Force...


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DaveM2 wrote:
Photo in the Classic Wings thread.
Assumptions about the RAF Museum are incorrect


Don't be so stingy with information.
So the RAFM is interested?
Funny, the Kiwis at the magazine would get that wrong.

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DaveM2 is the 'Kiwi' at the magazine.

Reading between the lines it would appear that the western governments and their museums are not all that welcome to Libya for negotiations...


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This seems like a job for Gerry Yagen. No?

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Unless the Martin Museum received a huge infusion of cash, I don't think they could take on a project like this. They have quite a few projects on their own home turf that need attention, like the AM-1 Mauler. This isn't meant as a slam against the Martin Museum folks. They do the best they can with the resources they have available. The problem is they simply don't the resources that some of the bigger players in the Warbird movement can bring to bear.


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nevermind the martin, what other ww2 planes went down in vicotia lake?


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2015 12:36 pm 
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camshaw wrote:
nevermind the martin, what other ww2 planes went down in vicotia lake?


As I'm shortly to be rotating in and out of Entebbe on the shores of Lake Victoria, I'd like to know too!

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