Warbird Information Exchange

I dont know about you, but I havent seen anyone not supporting the Y.A.F. and the coordinators. I havent seen 1 entry/thread that said the show was a sucktacular.

There are people (like myself) putting up their reviews/experiences with the show in hopes that people who can make a difference, will read them and will listen to what supporters say the liked/could use some work.

There really arent people complaining about the no-shows, from everything I've seen. People understand that warbirds are a huge undertaking, heck -- flying anything to/in an airshow is a huge undertaking, but warbirds are especially fragile. I think people are upset over the lack of info from the Y.A.F. moreso than the planes not actually showing up... My biggest "gripe" is the total lack of info/updates from the coordinators/staff. It doesnt take much to stick something up on the website or insert a piece of paper into the program/flyers they handed out to be people in their cars..

As Eric says, keep up the great work.

I too am looking forward to next year!

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Oh, kwa, tanzin wan - queye ohsee, lahjee wan.

I dont think people are complaining about the no-shows, as much as people are whining about. From what I've seen repeatedly, people are upset that there wasnt any info about cancellations or no-shows. We all understand how difficult it is to maintain a warbird, especially for airshow flying -- so I really dont think the planes not showing up is all that upsetting to people. Sure it's disappointing to think you're going to see some things, and then they dont show up for whatever reason. But I think we all are very understanding and supportive of the mechanics/pilots/companies/ etc etc and just hope to see them next time..

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Oh, kwa, tanzin wan - queye ohsee, lahjee wan.

I have yet to see someone whining. If anything, I've seen people give their opinions/reviews/experiences and a lot of people are frustrated over the same things. I think it's funny to see you whining about how you believe other people are whining, though.

Not all of us are perfect with words, so sometimes things dont read they way they are intended, but I dont know anyone who always can write/come off how they intend. Part of it is on the reader, if the reader is in a bad mood, a great review can come over as whiney -- and that's not the writers fault. Also, often I'm seeing people only read -part- of a review, or not really read/pat attention to whats being "said" then the writer is blasted for having an opinion and sharing a review? Grow up.

No one's kicking anyone. There are just a lot of folks that would like to see the same things changed, we all support the Y.A.M. and applaud all the time/energy/effort/money/etc that went into the show -- do not forget that, and kick us in the balls for writing our reviews.

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Oh, kwa, tanzin wan - queye ohsee, lahjee wan.

Just a minute ago I address this point on another thread...
http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/p ... php?t=8463



The YAF certainly did make an effort to provide updates of aircraft that could make it. I politely suggest you do a search on some of the threads here on WIX about Thunder leading up to the show. You will see what I am talking about.

Mike

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Mike R. Henniger
Aviation Enthusiast & Photographer
http://www.AerialVisuals.ca
http://www.facebook.com/AerialVisuals

Do you want to find locations of displayed, stored or active aircraft? Then start with the The Locator.
Do you want to find or contribute to the documented history of an aircraft? If so then start with the Airframes Database.

I couldnt agree more. If people dont like your opinion/review, your sharing, or the words you choose to use, they are rude to you to the Nth degree. It's immature and very non-productive.

There were things that could be improved, just as there were things that were AMAZING and should not change one bit.

And ya, it seemed that the bigger the lens, the worse the attitude/filthier the language.. I dont know that there's anything that can be done about that..

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Oh, kwa, tanzin wan - queye ohsee, lahjee wan.

See, I'm new to WIXers and I think it's to say that the overwhelming majority of people in attendence were not WIXers. They were just average people wanting to see a show. And then there were some warbird buffs that came to see specific things that maybe are older and not "down" with technology so much. It's great that they posted here, but sadly not all warbird enthuasists are on here. It wouldnt be hard to slip a piece of paper in with the packet that was handed up to people in their cars. Nor would have been hard to update the official plane list's website, which was not done and what I believe most people used for info. And you could have had the announcers say something as well, that wouldnt be too hard and could be helpful for last minute stuff.

I never said that they made absolutley no attempts to give info out. But, the overwhelming majority of people did not have info about what'd be performing/static and what was/wasnt showing up and why. Of course some people who are a part of fencecheck/WIXers knew, but that accounts for what.. 5% of the total audience being informed?

I hope your "list" will be fairly representative of people's experiences, but from your apparent baditude I dont believe it will be.

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Oh, kwa, tanzin wan - queye ohsee, lahjee wan.

I told myself I would not get involved in this anymore because I am not very good at expressing myself on forums, but here it goes.

As for planes not showing up, it happens and has been greatly explained by the pilots and organizers of the show. The only thing said on this forum is that some people ( myself included ) were disappointed in the lack of Spits, and im sure the YAM were too but it happens ( talking to Jim B of the Russell group we might have only had one if it were not for Mr. Greenwood taking the controls of MK912 for the Russell Group. I think everyone should give him a big thank you for a great display)

As for Mike, Eric and Tim I would think you guys were it the photo pit on Saturday? So you didn't really get to see and hear the battles along the small fence line near the B52. Saturday for myself was a familly day with the kids and Sunday was the photo tour and pit pass day. But with all the angry people I had to hear on Saturday swearing at each other I decided to not bother with Sunday. Now I'm not faulting the organizers for the actions of a bunch of foul mouth people but would ask that they re-arrange the layout to provide more fenceline for spectators.

One thing that has not been brought up too much was the great display by the P47's and P51 over the Battle Re-enactment, very low passes Wish I could have placed myself in the middle of the bean field with my video camera

Looking forward to next year,

Dave C

I got some of my best/favourite pictures of the airshow from the low flying of the P-47's and the P-51, I may have some video if you'd be interested? Just little clips though..

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Oh, kwa, tanzin wan - queye ohsee, lahjee wan.

My review/experience of the show can be found here: http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/p ... php?t=8463

I'm not putting it up to be blasted/disrespected for sharing my experiece, so if that's on your agenda, save it. I greatly appreciate all the pilots/mechanics/companies who provided the Y.A.M. with planes to show, the show was amazing and I enjoyed seeing the planes upclose. And to those who couldnt make it, thanks for your efforts, hope you're able to come next year!

I havent invested thousands of dollars in equipment, nor am I a professional photographer, so these might not be as up close/personal as some other peoples photos. Also, I have some video, but it's not uploaded so if there's something you'd like to see, reply with what it is and if i have it i'll upload it and send a link


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Oh, kwa, tanzin wan - queye ohsee, lahjee wan.

You certainly don't mind doing the disrespecting yourself. May I suggest you save it?

In a more civil tone... Nice pictures.

Mike

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Mike R. Henniger
Aviation Enthusiast & Photographer
http://www.AerialVisuals.ca
http://www.facebook.com/AerialVisuals

Do you want to find locations of displayed, stored or active aircraft? Then start with the The Locator.
Do you want to find or contribute to the documented history of an aircraft? If so then start with the Airframes Database.

I havent been disrespectful to anyone. I have never blasted anyone for sharing their opinion/experience with the show. But if someone is going to badger me over nothing, I see no reason continuing to be polite.

Thanks, not bad for a little $400 camera

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Oh, kwa, tanzin wan - queye ohsee, lahjee wan.

Cool pics netwerk, but do you have to have your email on there so in your face?

What is the little white racer? That's the first pic I've seen posted of that one.

The shot of the '47s kicks ass.

FWIW, he's new to the WIX, how would he know what was updated here? That is a bit unfair to rebuttle with that.

They dont HAVE to be there at all, but I've had problems in the past with people on forums stealing pictures (concerts) and claiming them as their own/selling them. So I've barred access to the original data (only offered lower-res small versions) and have started watermarking. I know it's not the best solution, but it's the only one I can think of without embedding code that would disallow right clicking on the whole page if my photos are present..

It's a home-built replica of this:


Here is another picture of the replica about a week before it's first flight:


It's a replica of Benny Howard's DGA-5 "Ike." I believe it was built by Kim Kovach.. I've seen the plane at Willow Run a couple times, it might live there or nearby? Canton?

And thank you, the P-47's made phototaking a dream

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Oh, kwa, tanzin wan - queye ohsee, lahjee wan.

You certainly have been to me. Perhaps you should re-read your comments in the other thread.

In the interest of promoting peace I thank you again for your pictures. They certainly are welcome here.

Mike

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Mike R. Henniger
Aviation Enthusiast & Photographer
http://www.AerialVisuals.ca
http://www.facebook.com/AerialVisuals

Do you want to find locations of displayed, stored or active aircraft? Then start with the The Locator.
Do you want to find or contribute to the documented history of an aircraft? If so then start with the Airframes Database.

To Dave C, Thanks for the compliment, but in truth the thanks for having 4 Warbirds at Willow Run should go to Ed and Fran Russell for providing, and about 8 other guys who worked all week to take care of problems big and small, including rain Thursday that flooded the runway. All I did was fly a nice fighter in ideal weather over pretty country, keeping in mind the responsibilty of caring for someone else's perhaps $2 Million plane. I was lucky enough to have all those years of Spit time and it was a priviledge, I'd like to do it again but better. The hardest thing for me was just trying to recharge after 10 days on the road and at Oshkosh. More later on no shows. Bill

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Bill Greenwood
Spitfire N308WK